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would not be the same as mit-scheme. there are lots of scheme implementations. 14:51:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-166-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:53:52 add^_ [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 14:53:52 ijp [~user@host86-132-92-201.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 15:01:39 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05:30 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-178-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:05:48 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-183-150.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:06:10 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 15:09:39 b4283 [~b4283@118.150.141.110] has joined #scheme 15:11:47 I think it actually is the name of an alternative MIT Scheme build or so ... 15:11:57 Written in portable C IIRC, not requiring the self-bootstrap. 15:12:04 For platforms they don't have precompiled binaries for. 15:12:28 crocket: brianmwaters: ^ 15:13:10 ok 15:13:33 Does racket require a window? 15:16:41 -!- brianmwaters [324b7382@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.75.115.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:17:28 I want to use a scheme interpretation for learning SICP 2nd. 15:17:32 Is http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-sicp/ a good choice? 15:19:33 weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 15:20:59 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 15:24:39 crodjer_ [~crodjer@unaffiliated/crodjer] has joined #scheme 15:25:50 -!- noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:26:35 noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 15:40:59 dkordic [~danilo@178-221-82-172.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #scheme 15:42:00 I have recently started learning Scheme (with Racket and Guile mostly). I am familier with Lisp a little bit through Emacs Lisp. 15:42:08 What I am confused about is how to choose a Scheme implementation. There are **so many** that it becomes impossible to make a decision. 15:42:49 close your eyes, point in front of you and spin around. When you stop, pick the one you are pointing at. 15:42:54 -!- crodjer_ is now known as crodjer 15:43:02 How much is a code base written in one implementation compatible with another? 15:43:09 crodjer: hardly at all. 15:43:11 Also, can someone suggest a code base which a begineer can look at for reference purposes? 15:43:38 ijp, offby1: Thanks. 15:43:59 crodjer: someone's "Project Euler" contributions might be good 15:44:15 those tend to be simply-stated problems with (sometimes) simple solutions 15:46:03 Hmm. But i was looking more for a code base which does something more influential. Like for Haskell, one can look at XMonad and learn how big softwares are written in it. 15:48:20 well, the first problem is you'd need to specify an implementation 15:48:40 crodjer: in Racket, there a number of large code bases 15:49:01 crodjer: for example, the sirmail email client: https://github.com/mflatt/sirmail 15:49:14 because there are probably 5 people on here that regularly test on 2 or more implementations 15:49:20 or any of the other applications that ship with racket: https://github.com/plt/racket 15:50:05 or the frog blog generator: https://github.com/greghendershott/frog 15:52:02 Thanks guys! I'll check these projects out. 15:53:31 Any recommendation for learning resources? 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17:38:59 some implementations make it possible 17:39:30 some fi your nickYou can find one of them in your nick 17:39:42 jesus. keyboard failure. 17:40:02 AkashicLegend [~AkashicLe@CPE18593398c726-CM18593398c723.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 17:41:56 thanks 17:41:58 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has left #scheme 17:43:53 pdponze [~pierre@37.0.45.21] has joined #scheme 17:44:17 -!- pdponze [~pierre@37.0.45.21] has left #scheme 17:46:29 davexuni` [~user@38.104.7.18] has joined #scheme 17:46:31 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:17 -!- davexuni` is now known as davexunit 17:47:33 -!- davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has quit [Changing host] 17:47:33 davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has joined #scheme 17:49:02 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 17:53:57 -!- b4283 [~b4283@118.150.141.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:28 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:02:39 -!- Cyclohexane [kieran@unaffiliated/cyclohexane] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06:22 -!- TaylanUB [tub@p4FD91E6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:07:19 TaylanUB [tub@p4FD90DA4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:12:22 mneo [~user@109.175.89.122] has joined #scheme 18:15:33 ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 18:20:33 sheilong [~sabayonus@unaffiliated/sheilong] has joined #scheme 18:21:25 -!- effy [~quassel@111.197.234.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:50 effy [~quassel@111.197.234.113] has joined #scheme 18:39:33 -!- m4burns_ is now known as m4burns 18:41:51 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 18:44:42 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:04 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 18:47:36 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:47 zaid_h [~quassel@modemcable145.17-23-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 18:55:36 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:58 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 18:58:46 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:02:29 paddymahoney [~paddymaho@24.137.221.230] has joined #scheme 19:03:17 -!- AlterSid [~sid@altersid.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:03:46 -!- add^_ [~user@m5-241-189-182.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:06:25 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 19:06:27 AlterSid [~sid@altersid.net] has joined #scheme 19:06:51 -!- AlterSid is now known as Guest99037 19:18:02 brianmwaters [46d7037f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.215.3.127] has joined #scheme 19:19:03 arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has joined #scheme 19:22:24 so i've been doing some research, and it doesn't really seeme like there's any relatively portable, up-to-date pattern matching implementation. 19:22:33 zombie scheme 19:22:59 http://synthcode.com/scheme/match.scm? 19:23:14 I was just gonna say, that one is pretty good and portable 19:23:31 Riastradh: I suppose it depends how he defines portable and up-to-date 19:23:34 also up-to-date (whatever that means exactly?) 19:24:01 it means code is not written in upcase, I figure 19:24:25 (EVERYBODY LOVES SHOUTY 'LISP) 19:24:37 *ijp* flays LeoNerd 19:25:23 RPLACA!! 19:25:57 Oh, reminds me.. I saw what looked like a Lisp variant somewhere, which seemed to have a naming scheme of both ! and !! suffixes... 19:26:25 It looked like a foo! function modifies its first argument, and a foo!! might modify others as well 19:26:28 !! for really mutable 19:26:38 I think RPLACA was included in Common Lisp because of the Klingon stakeholders in the committee 19:27:10 Clojure has some libraries that use !! as a convention for ... some things 19:27:32 Oh, that might have been it. Something that maps to Java or somesuch, where "the first argument" is probably the invocant object 19:27:46 So useful to distinguish methods that mutate the invocant but not other arguments, from those that could 19:27:48 reminds me of sxpath's ntype-names?? Sounds like "yes? Really?" 19:28:03 lol 19:28:15 -!- Guest99037 is now known as AlterSid_ 19:28:34 by portable i mean relatively close to vanilla r5 or r6 scheme, and by up-to-date, i mean gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside 19:29:05 I think foof's match is for you then 19:29:06 -!- zaid_h [~quassel@modemcable145.17-23-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:29:17 LeoNerd: that's not the case in the Clojure libs I'm thinking of at least 19:29:23 mario-goulart: maybe it doesn't give him warm fuzzy feelings? 19:29:29 well, maybe it wasn't Scheme 19:29:32 Er.. Clojure 19:29:55 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:30:03 arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has joined #scheme 19:30:16 Everybody I know gets feels warm and fuzzy when using match. 19:30:35 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 19:30:41 it lights up alright 19:30:42 arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has joined #scheme 19:30:59 mario-goulart: I would feel warmer and fuzzier if it were extensible 19:31:20 that would be nice 19:31:37 but I figure doing that means large code surgery 19:31:37 alternatively you can go to the pub 19:31:47 or shopping 19:31:54 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 19:31:55 shopping for pubs 19:32:04 arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has joined #scheme 19:32:53 You can easily extend it using sed. sed is the ultimate extension tool. 19:33:23 :( 19:33:25 Scheme Extra Defines 19:33:35 We urgently need a language called pipesed 19:33:47 .oO(what would a sexped be?) 19:34:28 I want a 12page design document by monday folks! 19:34:54 *DerGuteMoritz* calls the sexperts 19:35:48 forgot "ver" somewhere in that word? 19:35:53 expertsexchange? 19:36:12 (define-syntax-rule (sexp-ed from to iport oport) (port-for-each (lambda (x) (match x (from (write to oport)) (else x))) iport)) probably 19:37:06 (needs a let to make sure iport and oport are only evaluated once) 19:37:25 well, only oport 19:41:17 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has left #scheme 19:48:22 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:59 -!- AlterSid_ is now known as Altersid 19:51:02 -!- Altersid is now known as AlterSid 20:09:38 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 20:09:44 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-gspkawarppmdlkch] has joined #scheme 20:11:53 kobain_ [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 20:13:08 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:18:13 -!- d2biG is now known as dRbiG 20:20:21 dkordic [~danilo@178-221-113-73.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #scheme 20:22:51 i keep meaning to look into racket's matcher and steal things 20:23:11 samth mocked me for using the wright matcher :P 20:25:41 well, stis has a port 20:26:56 i think stis's port pulled in syntax-match also 20:27:10 yes 20:29:25 alex shinn's match-simple.scm seems to do all the basics in 150 lines of code 20:31:19 mark_weaver suggested to me that doing a ck macro style rewrite of match.scm might be worth a shot 20:31:34 it would be nicer to extend than writing cps macros 20:35:08 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:51:00 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:58 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 20:54:26 wingo: it's Shinn's version of the Wright matcher, so that's better :-) 20:54:34 :) 20:54:55 samth's comment was more about the extensibility than the implementation 20:56:38 right, that's an issue 20:57:17 all right, i think i might be going crazy 20:57:23 r5rs pitfalls 1.2 20:57:27 (letrec ((x (call/cc list)) (y (call/cc list))) 20:57:27 (cond ((procedure? x) (x (pair? y))) 20:57:27 ((procedure? y) (y (pair? x)))) 20:57:27 (let ((x (car x)) (y (car y))) 20:57:27 (and (call/cc x) (call/cc y) (call/cc x)))) 20:58:26 with the new evaluator i did in guile master i get different results than before -- because the environment uses the normal rib datastructure instead of consing 20:58:43 so it's possible to observe more orders of assignment 20:58:57 what i wonder is, does this expression have a specified value? 20:59:11 does this ring a bell with anyone 20:59:54 -!- brianmwaters [46d7037f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.215.3.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:59:57 call/cc still breaks my brain 21:01:54 ouch, that expression hurts 21:02:40 original discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.lang.scheme/FB1HgUx5d2s/WCivR30dZJMJ 21:02:40 http://tinyurl.com/mjklgyy 21:05:32 i guess my real question for the channel is: if you have a scheme that desugars letrec using the petrofsky expansion, *and* your scheme has an interpreter, *and* that interpreter has a spine-and-ribs interpreter: do you get #t or #f for that expression 21:06:02 guile only desugars letrec in that way when using the interpreter 21:06:30 s/spine-and-ribs interpreter/spine-and-ribs environment representation/ 21:07:13 What's spine-and-ribs? 21:09:48 http://paste.lisp.org/display/139747 21:09:50 ^ expansion 21:10:38 for testing regardless of whether you use the petrofsky expansion 21:10:44 *wingo* could be confused, quite possibly... 21:11:45 LeoNerd: like http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/sicp/book/node79.html, but with vectors as the frame representation instead of lists 21:13:23 Hrm.. my interpreter's representation of procedures and environments isn't representable in Scheme 21:15:02 *wingo* does another guile bootstrap, ugh 21:16:58 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 21:30:38 -!- AlterSid [~sid@altersid.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:41 -!- weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:31:33 what's use of define-stream? how, for example, http://lpaste.net/4921290913507966976 could be rewritten with define-stream to make it shorter or to behave differently? 21:31:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-160.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:16 that's a good question 21:36:31 Guest27359 [~sid@altersid.net] has joined #scheme 21:38:36 I guess you want to read the "pitfalls" section of srfi 41 21:39:00 will read now, thanks 21:39:22 -!- Guest27359 is now known as AlterSid 21:41:11 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:26 Replace DEFINE by DEFINE-STREAM, but, frankly, DEFINE-STREAM is silly. 21:43:44 You should just use LAZY instead. 21:43:53 I think that's all it does really 21:44:40 actually, it says that down in the implementation section "Besides hiding lazy and making the types work out correctly, stream-lambda is obvious and easy-to-use for competent Scheme programmers, especially when augmented with the syntactic sugar of define-stream and named stream-let. The alternative of exposing stream-lazy would be less clear and harder to use." 21:44:51 Yes, more or less, but there's no reason to make it part of DEFINE instead. 21:45:20 That rationale is ridiculous, and there's no reason to have a specialized STREAM-LAZY. 21:45:33 right 21:46:27 rudybot: (require srfi/41) 21:46:27 ijp: Done. 21:46:35 rudybot: (define-stream (foo x) (begin (display foo) (stream x))) 21:46:35 ijp: Done. 21:46:38 rudybot: (foo 3) 21:46:38 ijp: ; Value: (stream (mcons 'lazy #)) 21:47:06 that's a pretty ugly print syntax 21:47:20 and no "display" 21:47:46 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 21:47:46 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Client Quit] 21:47:50 wingo, the number of bootstraps you do shouldn't affect the results you see! 21:48:17 rudybot: (define-stream (foo x) (stream foo)) 21:48:17 ijp: Done. 21:48:23 rudybot: (foo 3) 21:48:24 ijp: ; Value: (stream (mcons 'lazy #)) 21:48:36 rudybot: (stream-car (foo 3)) 21:48:36 ijp: ; Value: # 21:48:41 hmm, wierd 21:48:55 Riastradh: yes, but this is rolling back to an older state :) 21:50:50 ah, I think I understand it now 21:51:18 by requiring that stream-lambda return a stream, it just returns one straight away, which is why the display doesn't happen 21:51:38 if I did a stream-car, it would display 21:52:16 defanor: ^^ I guess that's an example of this sort of pitfall for you 21:52:29 yep, thanks 21:52:45 rudybot: the virtues of being an idiot in public 21:52:46 ijp: if you read or watch old propaganda/instructional videos from Bell Labs promoting the virtues of the UNIX system, a shell is apparently that which wraps around the kernel and provides the user an interface to applications and system administration utilities. so even Emacs could be described as a programmable shell, written in C and Lisp. 21:53:30 I haven't watched any old bell labs propaganda I'm afraid, though I did recently watch "the mother of all demos" 22:01:20 indeed, regarding that letrec / set! / call/cc thing -- seems that allocating lexical contours as vectors and filling in via vector-set! vs consing on values is a visible attribute of an implementation 22:01:52 how wonky 22:04:20 actually i guess it's just let-specific 22:04:49 seems similar to those "can you implement map with reverse!" discussions 22:08:20 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:12:30 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:13:06 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-gspkawarppmdlkch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:02 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:28:26 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #scheme 22:30:24 cky: I just read that guile thing about losing context. Assuming that what you showed was the actual implementation of defmacro, I think that that post is a point for having a better defmacro compatibility instead of that simple thing. 22:31:03 Specifically, a point for doing the same kind of matching that Racket does, where the sexpr<->syntax translation go with a hash table that is used to keep track of the context and later restore it. 22:31:32 It's obviously not completely proof, but it's a good step forward, and I can imagine that guile has a non-trivial amount of code that depends on defmacro. 22:35:34 the hashtable idea isn't bad 22:39:10 I might just implement that 22:43:01 ijp: the reason it usually works is that defmacro definitions tend to shuffle around pieces of code without deconstructing them, which means that you get a high hit ratio... 22:43:54 yes, exactly 22:58:10 -!- effy [~quassel@111.197.234.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:23 effy [~quassel@111.197.234.113] has joined #scheme 23:01:26 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:42 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:18:04 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:14 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:20:30 jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 23:20:33 -!- jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:20:33 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:30:47 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:58 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:33:26 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:36:04 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:01 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD61607.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:38:23 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:48:14 -!- Oejet [~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:56:40 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:58:55 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving]