00:02:05 fledermaus looks very different from the one picture I've seen of him 00:06:34 namely https://secure.flickr.com/photos/offby1/2375908514/ 00:07:12     we all had more hair then   00:07:52 rudybot: I bet you had an afro 00:07:53 ijp: goes to the archives to check if he had an afro in the 80s 00:09:21 Was sachac the only woman attending? 00:09:52 Riastradh: there were like 4, but I think she was the only female emacs user there 00:11:00 ...There were three emacsconf attendees who don't use Emacs? 00:11:23 it looked like they were there with their partner 00:11:26 s 00:12:10 Riastradh: there were at least two children too 00:15:45 Sgeo [~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 00:19:28 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 00:24:19 that was a really wonderfully apt response the bot just gave, by the way. 00:24:23 he gets smarter all the time 00:25:27 perhaps... too smart! 00:25:39 choas_ [~lars@p4FDC4D53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 00:26:27 rudybot: what are your safety features? 00:26:30 turbofail: Haha, «none of that "safety first, performance second" crap should be applied here» 00:26:55 hm 00:29:02 -!- choas [~lars@p4FDC484C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:32:57 rudybot: did offby1 go through your codebase and change all the postincrements to preincrements? 00:32:58 ijp: you prefer pre-increments? 00:33:24 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 00:34:10 rudybot: no but certain programmers will tell you about the the MASSIVE performance increase they give over their cousin 00:34:12 ijp: holy crap. this is beyond stupid. I was going to help my cousin fill out an application form for college, but after completing the form, it wants to pop it up in a window that apparently only works for IE 00:35:30 rudybot: I think you're drifting from the topic 00:35:31 *offby1: well, I just happened to be listening to the podcast; he was saying it is the first thing you should read; so I figured there might be more rails/ruby peeps drifting over 00:35:39 *offby1* backs away slowly 00:49:45 -!- duggiefresh [~quassel@c-66-30-11-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:56:28 -!- noam_ [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:52 noam_ [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 01:03:10 jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 01:03:13 -!- jao [~jao@21.Red-79-153-49.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:03:13 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 01:03:22 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:07:42 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 01:13:58 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 01:15:39 -!- gzg [~user@24-217-211-79.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:22:42 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #scheme 01:29:41 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:31:55 jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 01:32:27 Hokeypiggle. I have a question. 01:33:35 Suppose we have several equality predicates equal1, equal2, ... equaln. Define equal+ as a predicate which compares two objects with equal1; if they are unequal, it returns #f. Otherwise, it tries equal2, and so on. When there are no predicates left, it returns #f. 01:34:17 Associated with each equal_n predicate is a hash function hash_n. If (equal_n a b) => #t, then (= (hash_n a) (hash_n b)), but not necessarily vice versa. 01:34:48 How can we construct a function hash+ from the hash_n functions such that it obeys the same consistency condition? 01:35:00 wrt equal+, that is 01:35:30 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:47 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 01:42:22 davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has joined #scheme 01:44:56 jcowan: just xor them? 01:46:52 the objects are equal, means they are equal for each of the constituent equality predicates 01:47:07 which means they return the same values for the corresponding hash functions 01:47:24 combine them anyway you like, it doesn't matter 01:56:00 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 01:57:05 synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has joined #scheme 01:59:20 Yes, that will work. But is it sufficient just to take any one hash function? Presumably the last, since it corresponds to the finest equality predicate. 01:59:55 as far as I can tell 02:00:24 Okay, so SRFI 114 says to take the hash_ns and do something implementation-dependent on them. 02:00:44 Of course, you could multiply their product by zero. 02:01:34 I assumed you didn't want a pathological example 02:02:15 -!- kobain [~sambio@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [] 02:03:10 You should combine them with siphash, not xor. 02:10:15 ASau` [~user@p54AFEB12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 02:10:26 jcowan_ [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 02:11:00 -!- jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:12:31 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 02:13:49 -!- ASau [~user@p54AFF721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:23:46 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:25:19 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 02:30:14 -!- ijp [~user@host86-132-92-201.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:39:02 -!- jcowan_ [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:33 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:52 -!- synacktic [~jordyd@unaffiliated/jordyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:46:16 ijp [~user@host86-132-92-201.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 03:00:07 -!- NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:08:38 Riastradh: by the way, I _recognize_ sacha chua from her blog, so ... 03:08:52 yes, that was more or less non-sequiturinous 03:18:13 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:23:07 -!- es [~estevocas@205.Red-83-59-0.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:40:44 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 03:45:50 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:45:51 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 03:46:35 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:49:11 nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 04:03:58 could any current implementation of scheme allow one to practically write a distributed SCM tool, such as git/hg/bzr? 04:06:08 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 04:13:13 -!- ijp [~user@host86-132-92-201.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: depressed, angry, and in need of cake] 04:18:42 -!- zxq9 [~ceverett@FL9-125-199-207-150.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20:49 -!- jyc [~jyc@173.245.6.163] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:21:37 jyc [~jyc@173.245.6.163] has joined #scheme 04:24:11 -!- jyc [~jyc@173.245.6.163] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:28:07 jyc [~jyc@173.245.6.163] has joined #scheme 04:28:52 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:33:06 depends what you mean by "practically". 04:33:22 I'll get flamed for saying this, but scheme tends not to be practical 04:33:23 *offby1* ducks 04:34:00 offby1: yeah, that's why I asked 04:34:18 but, there are 'real' projects in the brew which at least partially use scheme 04:34:19 guix 04:34:39 dunno what that is 04:34:50 http://www.gnu.org/s/guix 04:35:04 it's a package manager based on nix. 04:35:12 I strongly suspect that nobody uses that, to a first approximation. 04:35:27 "in the brew" 04:35:28 *offby1* fiddled around with nix a bit 04:35:39 offby1: what did you think of nix? 04:35:52 intriguing. 04:36:01 interesting idea; I'd like to see it succeed 04:36:13 offby1: and yes, there are only a few packages ported to guix. 04:36:42 I'm old and cynical. I've seen far more open-source projects fail than succeed. 04:36:51 guix provides a scheme interface to a nix like system. you may find it interesting also, if you like scheme and nix. 04:37:00 offby1: yeah, fair enough 04:41:44 offby1: other than emacs what is your favorite successful open-source project? 04:42:36 gosh 04:42:41 racket, git, ssh, bash 04:42:43 probably lots of others 04:42:51 ok 04:43:04 linux 04:43:19 gnu C library 04:43:45 does the glibc have a new maintainer? 04:43:52 (I kind of hope so) 04:44:42 I've heard that the previous maintainer was weird about working around hardware/architectural bugs.. 04:46:35 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 04:47:37 no idea 04:47:43 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:49:08 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:50:45 glosoli [~glosoli@unaffiliated/glosoli] has joined #scheme 04:50:51 -!- glosoli 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zacts: yes, ulrich drepper did have a sometimes-hostile attitude, and he's no longer the glibc maintainer 19:05:36 it didn't help that once he got that reputation, people started to bug him on purpose 19:06:18 does carleastlund still hang out here? 19:06:23 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:06:34 I have a question for him regarding "Scheme and the Art of Programming" 19:06:43 being published online under creative commons 19:08:30 alexei: yes, it is. division is (/ 1 2) 19:08:38 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-ryrofasxtcclqedb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:34 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64EC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:44 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64EC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:12:07 zacts: why would carleastlund know the answer to that? 19:14:12 thanks, (expt 2 (/ 5 6)) looks uglier than necessary then 19:15:27 samth: I chatted with him about it a few months ago. he got the author of the book to release it free online. 19:15:35 he apparently knows the author 19:15:56 zacts: yes, lots of us know the author 19:16:33 anyway, do any of you happen to know when/where the book will be released? 19:18:15 -!- alexei is now known as amgarchIn9 19:21:56 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-130-25.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:27:07 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64EC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:18 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64EC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:27:21 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:29:32 zacts: you should email dan friedman about it -- he's the one who would know 19:29:44 http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~dfried/ 19:29:51 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 19:31:39 foeniks [~fevon@p57A5D2E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:31:45 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 19:32:05 ok, cool 19:32:17 -!- przl 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