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18:22:51 <offby1> such a pessimist
18:23:15 <wingo> qui
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19:22:49 <main> Hi. http://community.schemewiki.org/?fold - aren't both of the Fold-left function an iterative process but recurrential functions?
19:23:28 <Riastradh> Yes.
19:25:34 <main> Should/Can I change it then ?
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19:25:41 <Riastradh> Go for it.
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19:31:39 <main> Riastradh, http://community.schemewiki.org/?fold
19:31:48 <main> what do You think now ?
19:40:57 <Riastradh> You should fix the text to reflect the change -- there are no longer two definitions.
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19:48:02 <ski> while `fold-left' there is recursive, one could still say that it is iterative, in the sense of an "iterative process" as used by SICP
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19:57:03 <main> ski, it is included in the parenthesis as most worthy things in the code :)
19:58:04 <wingo> Riastradh: nice gpg bug find, recently
19:58:22 <main> ok, changed that too.
19:58:27 <main> hope that's all.
19:59:37 <Riastradh> Thanks.
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20:00:22 <Riastradh> Weird...  Two people within the same minute said something matching `^Riastradh: nice.*g(nu)?pg.*' in different channels.
20:00:44 <Riastradh> Are you conspiring against me?
20:02:31 <antoszka> We want to trick you into leaking your private key passphrase using NLP :)
20:04:04 <civodul> i think wingo is actually an NSA agent
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20:09:28 <wingo> :)
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20:27:38 <pumpkin360> What do scheme compliers do if You try to evaluate code created on the run ?
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20:30:10 <stamourv> pumpkin360: Expand, compile and run on the fly, typically.
20:30:29 <stamourv> Some may fall back to an interpreter.
20:31:09 <pumpkin360> so I have to have  a compiler to run the code? Interpreter seem more sane
20:31:20 <pumpkin360> stamourv, thanks anyways
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20:33:48 <stamourv> pumpkin360: Depends. Having both a compiler and an interpreter means that the two can get out of sync, which can be confusing.
20:34:32 <stamourv> In fact, ISTR lisp 1.5 having a similar issue: the compiler was using lexical scope, while the interpreter was using dynamic scope.
20:34:49 <pumpkin360> stamourv, sound funny
20:35:19 <stamourv> Since scope was not well understood at the time (they thought lexical scope was only an optimization), they didn't realize that the two had different semantics until someone found an example where they returned different results.
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20:36:48 <pumpkin360> stamourv, I would like to learn the formal semantics notation (extended BNF) do You know some good literature? (if we are talking about semantics...)
20:37:12 <pumpkin360> (good <=> good & short)
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20:42:41 <stamourv> BNF is for syntax, not semantics.
20:42:51 <stamourv> I recommend: Semantics Engineering with PLT Redex.
20:43:02 <stamourv> (For semantics, not syntax.)
20:44:13 <stamourv> That way, you get a good, modern intro to modern (read: reduction, operational) semantics, and you learn how to use Redex, a good tool for writing executable programming language models.
20:44:33 <turbofail> is that book available in e-book format?
20:45:14 <stamourv> Not that I know of.
20:45:39 <stamourv> Parts of it appeared in various research papers, which are available electronically.
20:45:52 <turbofail> hm
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20:51:43 <pumpkin360> stamourv, thx
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22:23:32 <theseb> i'm amazed how easy it was to implement my own primitive macro system
22:23:40 <theseb> scheme is an educators dream
22:24:37 <ski> now add hygiene ;)
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22:52:52 <turbofail> hmph.  now why would anyone write a project that depends on MIT-scheme specifically these days?
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22:55:30 <Riastrad1> Maybe because they like the environment and robustness MIT Scheme provides.
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22:58:31 <theseb> ski: yup..avoiding name collisions is phase 2 :)
23:00:49 <ski> well, in the presence of some kind of binding-hiding construct for declarations (such as e.g. a module system), you also need the ability for a macro invocation to expand to code involving a hidden binding
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