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Hi. Where can I read what is treated as first class and what is not in scheme ? 09:42:24 i guess,first class: function,continuation 09:47:08 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 09:48:40 main: this may be relevant, http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-6.html#%_sec_3.2 09:48:41 http://tinyurl.com/69m4y9 09:51:16 however, although you say that continuations are first class, they are actually just a special type of procedure, so whether continuations are first class or procedures are seems to be rather a philosophical point. I guess that "first class" is usually reserved for a concept more general than a concrete type, and the type is its reificiation in the program 09:52:12 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:52:50 -!- stephe [uid14127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xtnhueacpxtzidvj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54:02 -!- chenjf [~communi@183.44.27.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:03 -!- shivani [uid11848@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dgazlvvlftehsjqk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58:58 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 10:03:00 ebzzry [~ebzzry@112.203.179.38] has joined #scheme 10:16:28 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:31 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #scheme 10:20:25 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:14 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23:07 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 10:25:01 ebzzry_ [~ebzzry@112.203.179.38] has joined #scheme 10:25:41 kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 10:25:55 -!- ebzzry [~ebzzry@112.203.179.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:39:08 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:57 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #scheme 10:45:05 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 10:45:07
ok, thanks. 10:47:30 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48:50 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 10:50:03 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:50:39 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 11:01:56 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:03:01 -!- ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Quit: demons to some, angels to others] 11:03:21 ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 11:07:39 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 11:08:11 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:08:46 chenjf [~chenjf@183.44.27.226] has joined #scheme 11:29:48 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:31:38 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I know it's is now usual TCO, because it's got optimized even is recorsion call is not in tail position. 20:50:10 proper tail recursion? 20:50:28 http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ProperTailRecursion 20:50:59 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:42 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 20:52:55 aeth: Does it got optimized even when tail call not in tail position? 20:54:12 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-178-202-201-114.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 20:54:52 I assume the behavior is defined in the r5rs standard that the article quotes. 20:56:15 http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/ 20:56:27 section 3.5 20:57:09 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:00:46 It should really be "proper tail calls" since it applies to non-recursive calls. 21:02:04 ASau [~user@p5797E146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:04:28 From the article: [Moved here from ProperTailCall -- although in fact "proper tail call" is a more accurate name.] 21:05:54 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 21:07:06 main [~main@agiu241.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 21:07:11
Hi. 21:07:47
Was anyone here playing with swank servers and slimv here? 21:08:07 -!- main is now known as pumpkin360 21:08:16 -!- davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has quit [Quit: Later] 21:09:41 -!- mrowe_away is now known as mrowe 21:11:16 -!- heathjs is now known as heath 21:13:08 SrPx [bad4bbc5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.212.187.197] has joined #scheme 21:13:54 Oh well, after a day trying to figure out the dvl compiler I finally managed to kind of understand and use it, only to realize it can only produce functions that receive a fixed number of arguments (no lists :/ ) 21:14:04 still an awesome experience though, the generated code for those is magical 21:14:10 btw, 21:14:15 what is the best dialect for C FFI? 21:14:23 I mean, the best compiler ~ 21:16:49 not sure but chibi is made for that purpose, but it is just an interpreter 21:17:01 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:17:16 anyone used slimv ? 21:18:13 nope, but I've got some Slim Jims up in my room 21:18:17 in case I get hungry before dinner 21:18:58 adiii [~adityavit@c-50-136-206-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:21:35 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:24:19 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-164-188.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:29 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-78-35-141-168.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:27:16 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317643.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 21:30:54 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:30:57 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:30:57 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 21:35:55 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:37:06 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:37:19 -!- nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:39:15 -!- tupi [~user@189.60.6.232] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:40:29 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:43:23 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-50-136-206-60.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:47:21 -!- SrPx [bad4bbc5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.212.187.197] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:00:01 1st 22:00:15 Damn, excuse the noise. 22:02:22 (define 1st car) 22:02:51 :) 22:07:58 davexunit [~user@fsf/member/davexunit] has joined #scheme 22:08:16 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:41 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 22:09:16 Maybe one day people will be saying "car" instead of "1st" in blog comments sections 22:10:07 *ski* . o O ( ) 22:13:09 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:17:08 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@64.119.141.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:22 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:10 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:04 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:23 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 22:23:04 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c156-108.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:23:15 -!- racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:31 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28:09 joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:29:06 antoszka, where are You from ? 22:30:13 pumpkin360: Poland. 22:30:24 antoszka, :) 22:30:50 antoszka, nice countrym isn't it? And more precisely ? 22:31:00 And since you're asking about slimv I suppose you might want to redirect your question to #lisp :) 22:31:09 Nice, in some ways. 22:31:16 Warsaw. 22:31:29 but I wanted slimv with scheme and not slimv with lisp. 22:31:55 ah, far far away. Warsaw isn't a nice city xD 22:32:03 *ski* idly wonders how "slimv" differs from "slime" 22:32:05 ASau [~user@p5797E146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:32:19 slimv is for vim and slime is for emacs 22:32:27 that's why the last letter differs 22:32:36 ok 22:32:43 I thought slimv is for Common Lisp only as it's tightly bound to swank. 22:33:04 there are some swank servers for scheme 22:33:19 but it does not seem to be a nice and active thing 22:33:26 *actively developed 22:34:59 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-173-53-114-190.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:35:10 particularly on github, there is like gauche-swank, gambit-swank, and mit-swank 22:45:53 -!- Batai [~other@94.25.228.55] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:48:06 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:57:21 Hmm. Tail call "optimization" is like a car that can also turn right was well as left.... 23:00:18 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:03:10 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:42 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:05:21 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:05:30 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:07:50 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:09:25 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 23:10:04 -!- pumpkin360 [~main@agiu241.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:03 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:14:06 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E146.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:46 dsmith: a turning-complete car, you could say 23:18:37 heh 23:25:52 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 23:30:48 ericmathison [~ericmathi@66-192-9-99.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #scheme 23:39:27 duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:42:00 -!- duggiefresh [~duggiefre@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:19 -!- mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 23:57:30 -!- mrowe_away is now known as mrowe