00:00:26 Well.. the veryfirst new thing I've found here is the #1= ... syntax :) So... given that can trivially make cycles, I'd imagine the rest of the spec now has to cope 00:00:42 oh there's that 00:00:51 *tabemann* forgot about it, having not really gotten around to writing his compiler yet 00:00:56 tabemann:  and what should a programmer do who wishes to find out if two circular structures are `equal?` 00:01:11 there's no option unless the implementation supports that 00:01:21 dpk: I'm assuming you compare them successfully, i.e. determine that they are equally cyclic in the same ways 00:01:24 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 00:01:25 It's not hard to implement. Just keep a set of "already-seen-that" pointers 00:01:42 already-seen-that pointers are horribly expensive in practice 00:01:44 -!- iemejia [~ismael@apache2-noxim.yoda.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:01:50 (they scale O(n^2) in time) 00:01:51 .oO( possibly in Haskell ;) ) 00:02:10 tabemann: not necessarily. keep them in a hash-table set or something. 00:02:25 or a binary tree, etc. 00:02:34 I'm using a variation upon Brent's algorithm, with cycle backtracking and recovery, over a branching tree of downward paths rather than a single linear list 00:03:10 dpk: I thought about that, but I'm using IOArray Int (Value a m) for my mutable state, and that only has an Eq instance, not an Ord instance 00:03:17 so I can't use binary trees 00:03:49 but even then the algorithm I'm using is considerably more efficient than that (it scales O(n), where n is the size of the data structure being compared) 00:04:06 whereas using a binary tree to record your nodes already seen would scale O(n log n) 00:05:10 Unless you have temporary markers on the data (And then you can't multithread), you can't do it better than n log n 00:05:18 You don't know if and ifso where a cycle might appear 00:05:27 LeoNerd: you *can* with Brent's algorithm 00:06:17 all Brent's algorithm requires is two pointers into your structure; as the first pointer moves by increasing powers of 2, your move the second pointer to its location; if the two pointers ever meet otherwise, you have a cycle 00:06:27 and then the difference in depth between the two pointers is the size of your cycle 00:06:27 Ooooh.. that one. 00:06:35 The hare-and-tortoise algorithm 00:06:38 no 00:06:40 Yah.. it's kinda slow though :) 00:06:45 it's like the hare-and-tortoise, but it's faster 00:07:31 It only tells you that a cycle exists on a single flat list, though.. 00:07:31 because for each step in your data structure your two pointers have to take *three* steps - whereas for Brent's they collectively take only *one* step (because the "turtle" pointer teleports at increasing powers of 2 intervals, rather than moving with each step) 00:07:54 It doesn't directly help you implement a full arbitrary-shaped structural equal? 00:08:13 LeoNerd: which is why I'm treating each linear path depth-wise into the data structure like a single flat list, and using a stack to allow branching that list 00:08:32 But that might not be where your cycle exists 00:08:48 the trick is the backtracking 00:08:59 this isn't part of Brent's proper 00:09:18 once your two pointers are at the same point, you pop your stack, recording each node you passed 00:09:29 the first time you reach a pointer already recorded, that's the start of the cycle 00:09:31 You might have a cycle whose geometry goes through cars, or whatever else your data structures might have 00:09:31 *then* 00:09:41 to find the place where cycling *actually* began 00:09:58 you rely on the fact that you could measure the size of your cycle by the difference in depth between the rabbit and the turtle initially 00:10:37 and you take that distance steps backward in the stack, until you reach a node that differs from the last - which then means that the last was the start of the cycle, from where you can recover and go into its sibling or like 00:10:57 Yes.. this all sounds like it's operating on cyclic -lists- 00:11:07 Which is all well and good but not every cyclic data structure is a cyclic list 00:11:12 because each depthward path through the data structure *is* a list 00:11:16 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:38 LeoNerd: they can all be modelled as cyclic lists though 00:12:07 oh, as tabemann says 00:12:09 an arbitrary data structure is essentially a tree, from which any path from the root to a leaf is linear 00:12:15 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 00:13:25 -!- Qoj [~Joq@c-66-229-59-35.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:13:36 iemejia [~ismael@apache2-noxim.yoda.dreamhost.com] has joined #scheme 00:13:52 now, I've got to test my model implementation of equal?, as I really don't feel like making a formal proof that my algorithm is correct 00:15:57 as for how this allows you do equal; you just do this on two data structures side-by-side; if at any step any of them differs in value (or node size or cyclicity) from the other, then they aren't equal; if you reach the end of the data structures, then they are equal 00:17:00 note that one optimization is that you keep track of each cycle starting node you've passed, so that if you have more than one node pointing into the same cycle you can avoid the expense of having to detect the cycle and backtrack again 00:17:24 Random offhand ponderance: is letrec* a valid way to implement letrec? 00:19:27 LeoNerd: you mean aliasing the two? no 00:19:47 dpk: I mean, having implemented a letrec*, is (define letrec letrec*) sufficient? 00:20:00 er.. with maybe a -syntax in there.. ;) 00:20:03 no. firstly, they're macros, so that won't work in most implementations 00:20:42 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-183-116.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 00:20:44 ah, heh. even so, not all implementations let you refer to a syntax object except in functional position 00:21:02 habib [~habib@cpe-173-174-174-214.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:21:46 do they *have* to be macros? as in my impl. I'm implementing let/let*/letrec/letrec* directly, without reference to lambda (so I don't have to either create closures, or have an compilation optimizations that gets rid of lambdas whenever possible) 00:22:17 Well, in any case... I presume it is valid, because letrec* says it's left-to-right, whereas letrec just says "some unspecified order" - but that could be it 00:22:18 no, they don't have to be. as long as they work like they're supposed to 00:22:40 oh, my mistake, hmm. yes, i think it is valid 00:22:50 i was confusing letrec* and plain let. 00:22:53 Oh.. sure 00:23:14 *tabemann* will have to remember that he can unify letrec and letrec* himself 00:23:40 (unless R7RS-small changed something and now I can't) 00:26:14 Qoj [~Joq@66.229.59.35] has joined #scheme 00:26:41 -!- habib [~habib@cpe-173-174-174-214.satx.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 00:27:13 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 00:29:16 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 00:29:44 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Client Quit] 00:32:12 -!- Ripp__ [~textual@c-67-180-16-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ripp__] 00:36:28 noam_ [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 00:36:33 -!- noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:05 *tabemann* wonders if anyone has published anything on comparing cyclic data structures... 00:37:38 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:42:48 rudybot: most-positive-fixnum 00:42:49 dpk: ,(current-time-string (seconds-to-time most-positive-fixnum)) 00:42:57 lolwat 00:52:07 -!- vraid [~vraid@c80-216-227-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:55:02 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-183-116.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:02:20 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:17 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 01:20:27 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 01:35:29 jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 01:35:38 aking [~aking@li455-73.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 01:36:31 hoi hoi 01:41:36 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:44:31 jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 01:52:23 So are there any suggestions on what's going to be in -large yet? 01:54:02 Quite a lot. 01:54:22 See http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/WG2Dockets 01:54:33 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:54:33 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:54:33 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 01:54:34 So far we have voted in SRFI 111, Boxes, as a test case. 01:54:53 FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@rrcs-24-97-203-3.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:56:39 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #scheme 02:01:13 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:26:55 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:33:07 -!- Shoozza [shoozza@unaffiliated/shoozza] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:34:43 -!- FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@rrcs-24-97-203-3.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:36:23 Shoozza [shoozza@unaffiliated/shoozza] has joined #scheme 02:40:38 -!- Qoj [~Joq@66.229.59.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:52 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:42:48 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:56:49 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:05:04 Qoj [~Joq@c-66-229-59-35.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:06:13 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:15:24 *tabemann* celebrates 03:17:33 my algorithm for testing the equality of arbitrary data structures, including those with cycles, works! 03:17:49 *tabemann* apologizes for the celebrating 03:19:21 Excellent. 03:19:25 How does it work? 03:19:36 (Unless a patent is pending, in which case I don't want to know.) 03:21:06 it's a variation on Brent's "teleporting turtle" algorithm, except it operates on depth-ward paths through trees, and it's got an extra cycle recovery algorithm that's separate from the Brent's part 03:21:30 well, it's such on two different trees side-by-side, comparing the two along the way, not only for value equality, but for cycle equality 03:21:31 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 03:22:18 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:22:34 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:24:16 What are the space and time costs? 03:24:44 most of the algorithm is O(n), but the cycle recovery is, strictly speaking, O(n^2) 03:25:09 And space? 03:25:40 O(n) 03:26:52 (if I could compare pointers I could make the cycle recovery O(n log n), but because I can only test the identity equality of nodes, I can't build a tree out of nodes within the cycle during recovery) 03:27:49 zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 03:28:53 (I wonder if other people implementing R7RS are going to use something similar for equal?, because the obvious approach is O(n^2) if you can't order pointers, and O(n log n) if you can) 03:29:03 O(n) space is an awful lot. You might as well use an O(1) hash table, then. 03:29:21 O(1) time, O(n) space hash table, that is 03:29:48 I can't use a hash table, because I can't create reliable hashcodes for nodes 03:30:05 well actually 03:30:12 it's O(n) deepest path 03:30:45 because it's maintaining a stack as it traverses the data structure 03:32:40 Comes to the same thing for typical lists 03:32:57 (the stack is unavoidable regardless if how I implement it, as even if I'm testing loops with a hash table, I still need a stack to store the continuation of my traversal of the data structure - whether I'm using the Haskell stack or my own stack) 03:35:13 (I am storing extra information in the stack, i.e. I remember each node I've passed, and I'm storing information on the current "turtle") 03:35:14 Point. 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[~blbl@c76093.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 13:59:38 chaos_ [~chaos@140.206.88.172] has joined #scheme 14:00:41 Hello folks. I have a question about mit-scheme. Specifically, the way it deals with code dependencies across multiple files. When I load up the interpreter with a bunch of source files, where file a depends on b, the loading appears to be working fine, eventhough file a seems to be interpreted immediately on load, before file b is even opened. 14:00:47 How does that work? 14:01:10 What does `a depends on b' mean here? 14:01:45 A has some global defines (not procedures), which call code in B 14:02:01 (Generally, the way things work with multiple files is kludgey and unprincipled.) 14:02:10 How are you loading them? 14:02:20 mit-scheme --load *.scm 14:02:20 s/and/or/1 14:02:30 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@112.65.190.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:04:27 oh wait. I am a dumbass. The parts that appear to work are, in fact, procedures which are only truly evaluated once all code is there 14:04:32 Scheme will load the files in order, then, and if you try to use a variable that has not yet been defined, it will barf. 14:05:11 Yup, that seems to be the case. I guess the only way to enforce correct ordering, is to manually supply them to scheme in the that order? 14:06:13 That, or use cref, or implement a non-kludgey principled mechanism for doing it like Scheme48 or Racket. 14:06:40 mm ok. I'll look into those. Thanks 14:08:34 duggiefresh [~dug@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 14:10:24 mmc1 [~michal@88.128.80.5] has joined #scheme 14:11:44 You can find examples of cref's use in MIT Scheme's source tree, and there are some brief notes on its use in compiler/documentation/porting.guide. Don't use cref/, compiler/, edwin/, or runtime/ as examples, but most of the other subdirectories are all reasonable (as far as cref examples can be reasonable). 14:11:59 (And bear in mind that it is horrifically kludgey.) 14:12:41 Yea, I was afraid of that. 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does that mean it isn't evaluated like a normal procedure? 17:04:03 it looks like a normal define which is associating a lambda function with a name 17:04:09 I don't see why it is "special" 17:04:35 (define f (lambda (x) (+ x 1))) isn't "special" 17:04:47 so why should (defmacro f (lambda ....)) be? 17:07:20 oh snap 17:07:21 n/m 17:07:24 i answered my own question 17:07:33 def-macro is special because *define* is special 17:08:02 (define f (....)) doesn't evaluate f before invoking the define function...that is why it is "special" 17:08:18 theseb: Yeah, define and lambda are both special forms. 17:11:49 I think (define-macro foo (lambda (test . branch) ...) uses dot notation so that test is associated with the car of all the stuff? 17:12:01 is there any way to do the equivalent thing w/o dot notation? 17:12:36 e.g. (define-macro foo (lambda everything ( (set! test (car everything)) ...etc.)) 17:17:27 define-macro is not Scheme, so it does whatever you want it to do. if you're asking about `define', see r5rs 4.1.4. 17:17:48 bagratte [~Thunderbi@2.227.252.199] has joined #scheme 17:19:38 szillat [~sabayonus@dslb-092-077-175-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 17:21:10 Is there a way to establish encrypted tcp connections (TLS/SSL)? 17:24:57 Daemmerung: it is not Scheme? am i reading the wrong docs or does the spec not define a standard macro system? 17:30:28 -!- bagratte [~Thunderbi@2.227.252.199] has quit [Quit: bagratte] 17:31:03 theseb: r5rs 5.3 17:31:31 theseb: R5RS has syntax-rules. R6RS has a more featureful macro system. 17:34:39 chaos_ [~chaos@202.111.192.34] has joined #scheme 17:37:50 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:38:58 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-76-4.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:39:10 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:44 pumpkin360 [~main@aggq48.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 17:41:27 hi 17:42:24 is there a nice way to create w vector of vectors nicely? The only way I came up with is to create a vector and then manually set each element to another vector, not the nicest way 17:43:25 preferably in pure R5RS 17:45:52 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 17:46:30 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD932BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:46:53 taylanub [tub@p4FD94DA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:50:06 you seem to know at least one "nice way" to create a vector. I assume it works for any type of elements. 17:52:07 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 17:53:05 Daemmerung: thanks a 10^6 17:55:53 ok so scheme uses def-syntax let-syntax and syntax-rules for macros...ok time to do some readin 17:59:30 -!- ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:01:05 vraid [~vraid@c80-216-227-77.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 18:02:52 -!- szillat [~sabayonus@dslb-092-077-175-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:09:58 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:06 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 18:11:21 jlongster [~user@ip-64-134-44-140.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 18:12:07 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 18:14:46 Ripp__ [~textual@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:16:08 -!- hiroakip 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