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18:29:27 true-techie [~chatzilla@184.170.23.237] has joined #scheme 18:33:43 i dont understand where the circle is being returned from in the very last example http://paste.lisp.org/display/138500 18:34:28 after calling move-circle, which one of the functions in the condition returns a circle to draw-a-circle? 18:34:58 the draw-a-circle below (start 60 100) 18:35:22 BobuSumisu [~oyvind@oyvind.in] has joined #scheme 18:36:20 true-techie: looks like that code is using the outdated "draw" teachpack, which is probably why it's confusing. The "image" teachpack is much more straightforward. But if you read the contract of draw-and-clear, it should clarify your question. 18:45:00 -!- CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:47:59 ah i see draw-and-clear returns true. but even if draw-and-clear returned a structure, which of the two structures would draw-a-circle use then? 18:49:43 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:51:10 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 18:57:26 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:04:27 true-techie: are you unfamiliar with cond? 19:06:28 carleastlund: cond evaluates an expression and then returns a result 19:07:19 since both functions inside the cond braces were returning something i got a little confused 19:07:21 true-techie: just about everything evaluates an expression and then returns a result; your answer doesn't narrow it down. The name "cond" is short from "conditional"; cond chooses between multiple expressions to return. 19:07:48 Specifically; (cond [A B] [else C]) means "if A is true, then return the result of B; otherwise return the result of C". 19:08:20 Hope that clarifies things. 19:09:27 -!- blz37 [~minsa@c-24-130-180-195.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:28:07 -!- fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:31:19 -!- Daemmerung [~goetter@c-24-18-219-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:57 Daemmerung [~goetter@c-24-18-219-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:40:02 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:41:51 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:41:51 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:41:51 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 19:44:38 mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 19:59:00 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 19:59:02 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:59:02 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 20:03:46 -!- Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04:37 -!- true-techie [~chatzilla@184.170.23.237] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0/20130730113002]] 20:04:55 true-techie [~chatzilla@184.170.23.237] has joined #scheme 20:05:23 -!- true-techie [~chatzilla@184.170.23.237] has quit [Client Quit] 20:14:36 -!- amk9 is now known as amz 20:14:47 -!- amz is now known as amz3 20:14:54 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:27:41 add^_ [~user@m176-70-198-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 20:36:50 Ripp__ [~Ripp___@c-24-7-113-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:47:55 -!- ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:58:05 alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD609C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:01:26 taylanub: SML and OCaml are both ML variants. The ML family and Haskell's family (which descends from an earlier language Miranda) both descend from the earlier ISWIM language. From that tree, I believe only SML has a complete formal definition of its semantics in its language specification. 21:03:50 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:45 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:05:09 minsa [~minsa@c-107-3-190-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:17:14 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:17:32 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af4323e.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:55 fridim__ [~fridim@174.92.206.239] has joined #scheme 21:18:28 LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af4323e.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #scheme 21:19:46 ubikation [~quassel@ip-64-134-132-143.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 21:20:46 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:46 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 21:25:26 Interesting, thanks for the summary! 21:30:07 -!- Daemmerung [~goetter@c-24-18-219-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Smoove out.] 21:32:22 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@ip-78-94-251-132.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:37:15 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 21:37:43 -!- ubikation [~quassel@ip-64-134-132-143.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:50 -!- fridim__ [~fridim@174.92.206.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:38:02 -!- Ripp__ [~Ripp___@c-24-7-113-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:40:03 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 21:42:04 -!- mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:38 ubikation [~quassel@ip-64-134-132-143.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 21:47:58 -!- racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:05 -!- davexunit [~user@209-6-42-136.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Later] 21:53:46 I don't think ISWIM was so much an actual language as it was a bunch of ideas about how to do programming languages. Peter Landin described it in his paper "The Next 700 Programming Languages" in 1966. 21:55:14 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:01 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:57:16 Or rather, it was never implemented as a practical language itself, but its ideas *heavily* influenced a huge family of languages. 21:58:24 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:59:22 -!- ubikation [~quassel@ip-64-134-132-143.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:25 Landin also introduced the SECD Machine as the execution model for ISWIM, which has also been very influential in the design of functional languages. 22:14:16 fridim__ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 22:40:18 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:13 Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has joined #scheme 22:43:29 kunsel [~kunsel@2a01:4f8:d15:6c7::2] has joined #scheme 22:45:31 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 22:47:35 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 22:49:56 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 22:55:06 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:47 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 22:58:13 -!- kunsel [~kunsel@2a01:4f8:d15:6c7::2] has left #scheme 23:08:25 Ripp__ [~Ripp___@airbears-136-152-143-197.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #scheme 23:23:36 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:42:24 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 23:48:12 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme