00:02:45 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 00:06:06 -!- fadein [~Erik@c-67-161-246-186.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:13:52 -!- chaotic_good [~g@cpe-76-95-62-203.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:28 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@202.111.192.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:22:59 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:27:25 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 00:29:56 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:19 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 00:41:01 condy [~condy@113.140.86.66] has joined #scheme 00:52:41 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:04 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 00:59:15 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 01:03:52 fadein [~Erik@c-67-161-246-186.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:09:41 -!- kilophoton [~kilo@ip68-226-57-206.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Quit: kilophoton] 01:12:01 duggiefresh [~dug@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:15:30 -!- duggiefresh [~dug@c-71-192-255-114.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:15:31 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@66-192-9-62.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:55 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:41:57 davexunit [~user@c-71-232-35-199.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:42:41 joneshf-work_ [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 01:44:33 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:00 -!- joneshf-work_ [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:08:31 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 02:17:05 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:21:35 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:53 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:22:39 kilophoton [~kilo@ip68-226-57-206.om.om.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:25:21 -!- hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:26:30 -!- FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:36:12 haroldwu [~user@42-79-95-173.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 02:52:34 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@177.133.166.211] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:31 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@112.65.190.20] has joined #scheme 02:55:37 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:58:59 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09:14 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 03:13:45 -!- kobain_ [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:20:55 -!- davexunit [~user@c-71-232-35-199.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Later] 03:21:28 -!- lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:21:59 levi [~user@c-174-52-89-43.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:29:56 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 03:31:15 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:31:18 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:37:57 lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has joined #scheme 03:38:47 -!- pnkfelix1 [~Adium@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:39:51 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD603ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 03:42:16 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 03:43:10 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD60B2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:43:13 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:44:29 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 03:44:41 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 03:50:40 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:52:47 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:46 chaos_ [~chaos@140.206.255.1] has joined #scheme 04:02:52 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@112.65.190.20] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:03:18 -!- chaos_ is now known as Chaos`Eternal 04:10:22 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:19:21 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@140.206.255.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:27:03 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 04:52:06 -!- robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52:19 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:58:27 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:23 crundar__ [Jason@156-56-192-159.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 05:04:54 jhemann__ [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 05:05:34 -!- alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD603ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:05:52 -!- crundar__ [Jason@156-56-192-159.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:55 -!- SeySayux [SeySayux@libsylph/developer/seysayux] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:06:23 -!- crundar [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:11:36 SeySayux [SeySayux@libsylph/developer/seysayux] has joined #scheme 05:24:59 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25:28 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 05:27:45 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:35:52 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:36:06 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@140.206.255.1] has joined #scheme 05:37:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-214.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:37:40 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@67-2-110-151.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:03:20 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:23:03 yacks [~py@103.6.159.100] has joined #scheme 06:25:47 hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has joined #scheme 06:25:47 -!- hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has quit [Changing host] 06:25:47 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:34:09 -!- robot-be` is now known as robot-beethoven 06:42:45 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:46:35 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 06:50:52 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 07:01:03 aoeu [~miguelroc@modemcable129.15-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 07:02:57 Why would I use Scheme over Haskell? 07:03:45 -!- condy [~condy@113.140.86.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:24:07 -!- gluegadget [~amir@unaffiliated/gluegadget] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:24:18 gluegadget [~amir@li346-83.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 07:24:19 -!- gluegadget [~amir@li346-83.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 07:24:19 gluegadget [~amir@unaffiliated/gluegadget] has joined #scheme 07:37:54 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:46 aoeu: you should learn both 07:48:00 I don't need both. 07:48:56 scheme provides you a view which haskell will never provide 07:50:56 Wouldn't CL and Haskell be better? 07:51:07 What makes Scheme so unique? 07:51:11 one fact is that what ever feature haskell has, you can implement it using a couple of scheme codes 07:51:42 monads, types, hm type inference, 07:52:00 scheme can also be used pure-functinally 07:54:06 cast apart pureness, you will have a wider view of the world, lambdas are so lovely and you can not stop loving it. 07:54:55 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@140.206.255.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:59 aoeu_ [~miguelroc@modemcable129.15-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 07:55:32 Couldn't I say that about Lisp? 07:57:09 -!- aoeu [~miguelroc@modemcable129.15-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:57:44 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:05:04 -!- racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06:34 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@140.206.89.146] has joined #scheme 08:09:06 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:16:47 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f769d62.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:16:57 TheRealPygo [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f77b8ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 08:17:06 -!- TheRealPygo is now known as pygospa 08:19:32 aoeu_: Scheme is Lisp done right. CL is Lisp done backward-compatibly. :-P 08:34:09 -!- vraid [~vraid@c80-216-227-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:36:20 aoeu_: scheme is minimalistic 08:39:04 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:40:17 Nice 08:40:41 Is McCarthy a genius? 08:42:03 was 08:42:06 What do you think of the CL people? 08:42:18 I think CL is a hack. 08:46:51 condy [~condy@113.140.86.66] has joined #scheme 08:47:19 to me , cl is nothing different to C/C++/python 08:47:28 totally difference 08:48:00 bjz [~brendanza@203-206-162-155.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 08:55:48 -!- kilophoton [~kilo@ip68-226-57-206.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Quit: kilophoton] 09:08:00 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 09:15:14 -!- condy [~condy@113.140.86.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:20:29 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:25:13 pnpuff [~Op125@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #scheme 09:25:28 -!- pnpuff [~Op125@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #scheme 09:25:51 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 09:49:14 -!- ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:57:58 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 09:59:21 round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #scheme 10:17:50 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@140.206.89.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20:06 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 10:20:21 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:21:52 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:29:39 condy [~condy@113.140.86.66] has joined #scheme 10:38:54 -!- haroldwu [~user@42-79-95-173.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:44:03 mateioprea [~Matei@85.120.34.5] has joined #scheme 10:44:08 boycottg00gle [~user@stgt-5f719da1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 10:44:23 hello :D 10:52:20 add^_ [~user@m176-70-198-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 11:11:40 -!- aoeu_ [~miguelroc@modemcable129.15-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12:00 haroldwu [~user@114-137-61-157.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 11:24:58 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 11:27:55 -!- ltsampros [~user@178.128.67.95.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:05 ltsampros [~user@178.128.67.95.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #scheme 11:42:34 ASau` [~user@p4FF97D9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 11:46:21 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF96283.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:55:13 -!- condy [~condy@113.140.86.66] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 12:03:31 defanor_ [~d@ppp91-77-112-200.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 12:06:03 -!- defanor [~d@ppp91-77-136-47.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:13:40 -!- jhemann__ [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:20:59 dsevilla [~user@77.211.90.255] has joined #scheme 12:26:40 -!- mateioprea [~Matei@85.120.34.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28:01 vivek_ [~chatzilla@180.151.212.118] has joined #scheme 12:35:32 b4283 [~b4283@118.150.139.66] has joined #scheme 12:36:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-214.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:37:37 jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 12:47:43 -!- vivek_ [~chatzilla@180.151.212.118] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 12:50:09 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:52:03 davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has joined #scheme 12:55:32 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 13:00:50 -!- bjz [~brendanza@203-206-162-155.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:02:15 bjz [~brendanza@203-206-162-155.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #scheme 13:04:42 -!- pchrist_ is now known as pchrist 13:05:49 -!- dsevilla [~user@77.211.90.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:08:09 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@202.111.192.34] has joined #scheme 13:09:03 -!- bjz [~brendanza@203-206-162-155.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:15:22 -!- jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:18:57 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 13:27:42 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 13:31:22 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 13:43:51 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 13:44:05 crundar [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 13:45:12 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 13:46:09 joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:13:44 -!- mmc [~michal@sams-office-nat.tomtomgroup.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:37:29 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:45:36 -!- crundar [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:50:53 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #scheme 14:51:10 pnpuff [~BWV951@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #scheme 14:51:27 -!- pnpuff [~BWV951@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #scheme 14:53:56 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.159.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:54:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-183-151.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 14:56:02 crundar [Jason@149.160.138.130] has joined #scheme 14:58:52 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:58:59 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:58:59 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 14:59:47 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 15:02:59 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 15:05:26 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06:16 FunkyDrummer [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 15:07:11 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:07:49 ubikation [~quassel@c-67-168-252-238.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:18:00 githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:19:21 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 15:22:04 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:33:23 xenophon [~his_shado@64.124.65.162] has joined #scheme 15:40:32 ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 15:43:28 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 15:46:32 -!- round-robin [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:52:24 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 15:53:51 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:55:02 kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 16:04:12 yacks [~py@103.6.159.100] has joined #scheme 16:11:00 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 16:14:24 -!- boycottg00gle [~user@stgt-5f719da1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:45 -!- ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:20:50 -!- crundar [Jason@149.160.138.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:07 crundar [~Jason@149.160.138.130] has joined #scheme 16:23:36 ken01 [~this@41.89.164.16] has joined #scheme 16:26:41 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 16:27:52 ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 16:31:47 duggiefresh [~dyun@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 16:35:50 -!- crundar [~Jason@149.160.138.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:21 crundar [Jason@149.160.138.130] has joined #scheme 16:44:04 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:50:04 -!- haroldwu [~user@114-137-61-157.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:58 -!- ken01 [~this@41.89.164.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:57:30 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 16:58:21 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:09:32 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:12:27 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26:15 -!- b4283 [~b4283@118.150.139.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:43 Ripp__ [~Ripp___@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:28:11 carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:33:05 -!- crundar [Jason@149.160.138.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 17:33:43 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:46:06 crundar [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 17:47:38 -!- Ripp__ [~Ripp___@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:49:49 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 17:55:30 -!- tenq [~tenq@199.19.116.207] has quit [Quit: :tuiQ] 17:55:48 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD9384D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:56:10 tenq [~tenq@199.19.116.207] has joined #scheme 17:56:23 taylanub [tub@p4FD94332.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:59:51 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 18:02:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:02 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:10:06 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 18:12:26 Ripp__ [~Ripp___@c-67-180-16-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:16:50 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:16:54 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:16:54 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 18:19:28 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 18:21:49 crundar__ [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:22:30 -!- crundar [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:25:29 annodomini [~lambda@173-14-129-9-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 18:25:29 -!- annodomini [~lambda@173-14-129-9-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:25:29 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 18:27:15 duggiefresh_ [~dyun@64.119.141.126] has joined #scheme 18:29:23 tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has joined #scheme 18:29:33 -!- duggiefresh [~dyun@64.119.141.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:33 -!- duggiefresh_ is now known as duggiefresh 18:29:51 blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574e84c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 18:30:27 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:33 -!- serhart [~serhart@bonerbonerboner.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:32:36 serhart [~serhart@bonerbonerboner.com] has joined #scheme 18:32:44 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has joined #scheme 18:42:27 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:45 jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:43:59 -!- jao [~jao@55.Red-79-148-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:43:59 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 18:44:56 -!- ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:46:16 githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 18:49:27 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:40 ft [efftee@oldshell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #scheme 18:53:56 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #scheme 19:02:20 igotnole_ [~igotnoleg@71-219-128-48.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 19:08:44 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:13:40 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:25:59 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 19:43:21 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:17 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD603ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:44:17 -!- alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD603ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:33 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD603ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:53:31 hiyosi [~skip_it@247.94.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #scheme 19:58:00 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 20:01:07 githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:07:21 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:36 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:10:13 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:14:55 -!- sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:15:24 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:20:07 sttau [~sttau@unaffiliated/sttau] has joined #scheme 20:21:57 -!- crundar__ [~Jason@99-108-225-58.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:26:27 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 20:28:57 kilophoton [~kilo@ip68-226-57-206.om.om.cox.net] has joined #scheme 20:29:15 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 20:29:33 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:30:19 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:32:33 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-54-119.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 20:34:43 -!- pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-13-20.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:35:54 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:21 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 20:48:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-183-151.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:36 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:50:31 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:59:36 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:00:33 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 21:01:04 -!- duggiefresh [~dyun@64.119.141.126] has quit [Quit: duggiefresh] 21:02:46 -!- davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has quit [Quit: Later] 21:04:05 jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 21:19:12 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:19:35 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:20:36 przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:20:42 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 21:22:49 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:36 shanecelis [~shaneceli@c-107-3-3-0.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:24:04 Hi, anyone know of anyone that uses macros to do one-time code refactoring? Basically, source-to-source macros? Just curious. 21:25:21 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 21:26:17 shanecelis: I've used normal functions for this, if you only want source to source, you don't need a full macro, just transform the s-expressions 21:27:59 ecraven: Cool. Any tips on preserving comments or formatting? 21:29:06 shanecelis: comments, no, that never came up. formatting, I just use Emacs' autoformatting or MIT/GNU Scheme's pretty-printing 21:29:56 does anyone know of a Scheme that somehow remembers line and column numbers for error reporting when READing s-expressions? 21:30:49 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:34:00 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:35:07 shanecelis: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-progedit/ 21:35:10 shanecelis: https://github.com/rmculpepper/sexp-rewrite 21:35:25 ecraven: Racket's `read-syntax' does it. 21:35:40 stamourv: thanks :) 21:36:02 mark_weaver [~user@209-6-91-212.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 21:36:09 If you care about source locations, you're probably going to be happier using syntax objects (or some other non-sexp data structure) instead of sexps. 21:36:39 ecraven: Guile's 'read' also records the source location of all non-immediate datums, using a weak-key hash table. 21:37:08 mark_weaver: that was what i was thinking of, but that still leaves immediates to deal with.. maybe stamourv's suggestion of not actually using s-expressions would be best 21:37:39 ecraven: indeed. fixing this in Guile is on my TODO list :) 21:37:57 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 21:38:08 mark_weaver: fixing it by reading some sort of record instead of s-expressions? or by "fixing" immediates? 21:38:30 Right, your choices are either a table on the side (which is easy to get out of sync) or storing it directly with your syntax. I prefer the latter. 21:38:30 no, of course we'd need to switch to using some other data structure. 21:38:41 but that's a pain because there's so much code to change. 21:39:04 stamourv: I certainly agree that's the better solution. 21:39:23 stamourv: so (EVAL (READ ...) ...) doesn't support reporting locations? 21:39:34 (only READ-SYNTAX does?) 21:39:34 stamourv: I don't see how the table approach would get "out of sync" though. 21:39:44 ecraven: Dunno, let's find out! 21:40:11 rudybot: (eval (with-input-from-string "(- a "non-a-number")" read)) 21:40:11 stamourv: your sandbox is ready 21:40:11 stamourv: error: non-a-number: undefined; cannot reference an identifier before its definition in module: 'program 21:40:18 anyway, following up on shanecelis' question: 21:40:21 Oops. 21:40:27 rudybot: (eval (with-input-from-string "(- a \"not-a-number\")" read)) 21:40:27 stamourv: error: a: undefined; cannot reference an identifier before its definition in module: 'program 21:40:34 rudybot: (eval (with-input-from-string "(- 2 \"not-a-number\")" read)) 21:40:34 stamourv: error: -: contract violation expected: number? given: "not-a-number" argument position: 2nd other arguments...: 2 21:40:46 someone did some work a while back on transforming scheme programs from one scheme implementation to another, as an alternative approach to portability. 21:40:52 ecraven: I don't see source locations, but maybe rudybot is swallowing them. 21:40:56 it was the subject of a "boston lisp meeting" a few years ago, iirc. 21:41:06 does anyone have any recollection of this work? 21:41:27 mark_weaver: Re out of sync: If you have an extensible reader, extensions need to register things properly. 21:41:35 That sounds like a terrible idea. Then instead of debugging the source code in front of you, you have to debug some sort of horrible transformed output. 21:41:47 mark_weaver: That sounds like Dorai Sitaram. 21:41:53 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:57 stamourv: ah yes, I think you're right! 21:42:14 He had (has?) a translator from his own lisp-like dialect to a bunch of schemes, and even CL. 21:42:31 It's a huge pain to deal with, though. 21:42:31 Riastradh: I'm not advocating the approach.. but I suspect that whatever came of that work might be useful to shanecelis as a sort of "coccinelle for scheme" maybe. 21:42:55 AFAIK, the translator itself has been lost, and now only generated code remains. 21:43:20 Slatex, for instance, remains (AFAIK) only as generated code, which makes it unmaintainable. 21:43:39 ... 21:43:46 Thankfully, at least in Racket-land, Scribble is now used instead of Slatex. 21:43:57 stamourv: thanks for the pointers! 21:44:37 IIRC, Slatex has been moved out of the Racket codebase, and now lives on asumu's Github account. 21:44:44 Or was that tex2page? I forget. 21:45:11 mark_weaver: So you're in Boston? 21:45:25 Then you should come to RacketCon in September! 21:45:42 yes, I'm in the Boston area :) 21:45:58 (Well, everyone should come, really, but it's easier for people who are already in Boston. ;) ) 21:46:55 yeah, I was thinking about it :) 21:47:36 the thing is, I don't really use Racket at all. (although I have great respect for it and that whole community) 21:49:48 You're welcome nonetheless. :) 21:50:06 Feel free to bring any ideas you like to Guile. :) 21:50:09 thanks :) 21:50:16 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50:53 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 21:51:04 quite a few entries in my TODO list are of that nature, I confess :) 21:54:17 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA3FD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:04 davexunit [~user@c-71-232-35-199.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:58:15 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 22:04:15 dsevilla [~user@77.211.238.181] has joined #scheme 22:04:49 stamourv: tex2page, not slatex. 22:07:06 asumu: So slatex still ships with Racket? 22:07:42 -!- kilophoton [~kilo@ip68-226-57-206.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Quit: kilophoton] 22:09:32 stamourv: it should 22:17:49 cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has joined #scheme 22:18:10 stamourv: Thanks for the links. I think the progedit is very close to what I'm looking for. 22:19:07 -!- dsevilla [~user@77.211.238.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:00 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:30:59 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 22:32:23 -!- jerryzhou [~xiaotaota@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:38:08 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:43:11 kilophoton [~ckampfe@ip68-226-57-206.om.om.cox.net] has joined #scheme 22:43:42 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:28 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:51:09 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 22:53:11 -!- kilophoton [~ckampfe@ip68-226-57-206.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:57:25 dsevilla [~user@77.211.238.181] has joined #scheme 23:06:13 pumpkin360 [~main@duu207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 23:11:44 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:16 -!- davexunit [~user@c-71-232-35-199.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Later] 23:21:12 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:42:12 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 23:42:57 githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:45:34 -!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:45:41 Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #scheme 23:47:51 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 23:55:57 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 23:59:54 -!- dsevilla [~user@77.211.238.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]