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quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:12:04 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 21:13:57 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 21:20:52 davexunit [~user@209-6-42-136.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 21:35:30 -!- davexunit [~user@209-6-42-136.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:38:01 PuercoPop [PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b] has joined #scheme 21:39:35 Does anyone know how to get the #lang directive from racket to work on geiser mode? I want to continue working on the SICP without suffering the abomination that is Racket's IDE. 21:43:02 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-203.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:39 -!- Giomancer [~gio@107.201.206.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48:35 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@user-0c6smgl.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 21:57:04 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:04 -!- joast [~rick@cpe-24-160-56-92.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:07:38 YoungFrog [~youngfrog@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be] has joined #scheme 22:10:42 jrajav [~jrajav@user-0c6smgl.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #scheme 22:27:42 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:47 ejbs [~user@h-30-80.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 22:29:31 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:59 Hey, I'm trying to figue out a piece of Scheme code that traverses and prints a tree with continuations. Would you please tell me how dft2 can print a whole tree like that without using any explicit iteration/recursion? That is: How the heck does the control flow in this code? Code: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138403 22:35:06 isn't there explicit recursion in both dft-tree and cont? 22:36:39 dft-node* 22:37:30 vraid: Sure, but not in dft2, which is more what I'm curious about. Try the code out, you'll see that dft2 somehow prints the whole tree, without any sign of it jumping back to the beginning of the let-form 22:46:10 jao [~jao@85.pool85-58-38.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #scheme 22:46:13 -!- jao [~jao@85.pool85-58-38.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Changing host] 22:46:13 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:01:19 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 23:09:08 -!- PuercoPop [PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b] has left #scheme 23:09:20 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@bas75-2-88-170-201-21.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:04 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5DCA344D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:12:45 well, dft2 calls restart 23:13:02 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD63302.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:13:06 restart pops a continuation off the stack and calls it 23:13:55 -!- Ripp__ [~Ripp___@c-76-21-7-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:14:17 when dft-node encounters a pair, it pushes the cdr onto the continuation stack and follows the car 23:16:25 there is one case where it won't print the whole tree, though 23:18:10 I pretty much got all of that (except the last part, what case would that be?). I just don't understand how the variable node in dft2 is rebound and then printed for the whole tree. 23:19:03 well, the continuation which is saved goes back into the middle of dft-node 23:19:16 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:19:44 and so node is bound to the result of dft-node 23:19:52 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@user-0c6smgl.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 23:20:01 and it gets rebound whenever a continuation is called 23:20:43 if the tree has a symbol named done, it will stop in the middle 23:21:31 Oh right, yeah, that case I knew of. I don't understand why node gets rebound wheneve a continuation is called though 23:22:11 the continuation is captured inside the expression which is bound to node 23:24:02 so.. you call the continuation and jump into dft-node, right? 23:24:08 Ooooh, yes. I actually do think I understand now 23:24:26 but you're jumping back into the place where dft-node was called from, too 23:24:32 So I call dft2, which calls dft-node, and that's the environment where the continuation returns, right? 23:24:42 yeah 23:25:21 Alright, and when the continuation returns, the rest of dft2 gets executed. So if I have a continuation saved in *saved* it'll jump back to dft2? 23:25:22 this is not the best way to traverse a tree 23:25:34 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:26:06 (when restart gets called) 23:26:24 It's probably not, it's example code from the book On Lisp 23:26:28 yeah... I mean, it recreates the call stack 23:26:53 Yeah, I get it now. Thank you, that helped a lot :) 23:27:27 do they have an example of call/cc which is actually useful? 23:28:05 I understand how it works but yet I have no idea what good it is 23:29:38 I requested the ieee scheme standard through interlibrary loan 23:29:39 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD63302.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:29:49 They (Paul Graham) later implements multiple processes and Prolog with continuations. Let me quote the book: "If we only want to traverse one tree at a time, as in dft2, then there is no reason to bother using this technique. The advantage of dft-node is that we can have several instances of it going at once." 23:29:56 and I was expecting that would have to go pick it up in book form from the library 23:29:58 So the author agrees with you 23:30:12 but they just printed it off ieee xplore and mailed it to me 23:30:41 hmm... multiple processes 23:31:25 You can get the book for free over here (legally): http://www.mbishop.name/post/4113599512/on-lisp-by-paul-graham-an-epub-for-your-ipad Note that the book is actually about Common Lisp 23:31:26 http://tinyurl.com/knmqrb7 23:32:00 yeah I tried reading on lisp some years ago 23:32:10 I didn't get very far for some reason 23:32:51 tsuyoshi, re continuations: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~dfried/appcont.pdf 23:34:02 jao: I actually read that to try to gain some more understanding. It helped a little. tsuyoshi, the later chapters are definitively the most interesting. 23:34:19 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 23:34:54 jao: awesome 23:38:25 I need to finish my scheme interpreter 23:39:37 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 23:41:50 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:45:17 Now I'll be able to sleep :), night! 23:45:19 -!- ejbs [~user@h-30-80.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #scheme 23:52:03 davexunit [~user@209-6-42-136.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme