00:03:31 dessos_ [~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:04:20 who was that dude getting thru the little schemer books? 00:04:39 have you read the reasoned schemer yet? 00:04:43 -!- dessos_ is now known as dessos 00:06:37 carleastlund: also, any news on the scheme and art of programming being released electronically? 00:06:48 *zacts* finished simply scheme 00:07:09 I'm thinking about doing the little schemer books next. 00:09:01 -!- hellome [~lua@192.73.239.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:29 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-duhkdyadtzrivytl] has joined #scheme 00:19:06 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:19:52 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 00:25:18 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.83.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:26:15 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-duhkdyadtzrivytl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:27:27 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:30:46 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:46 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:21 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 00:34:07 -!- joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:42 tabemann [~travisb@adsl-69-217-161-54.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 00:34:43 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 00:35:01 fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 00:35:53 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 00:41:35 flux___ [6cf7d9b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.247.217.185] has joined #scheme 00:50:09 hellome [~lua@192.73.239.25] has joined #scheme 00:55:58 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 00:57:33 -!- tupi [~user@189.60.14.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:10 CADD [~CADD@12.227.104.109] has joined #scheme 01:27:57 -!- flux___ [6cf7d9b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.247.217.185] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:41:20 -!- tolk [~user@host66.186-125-224.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:46:26 -!- jaaso is now known as jaaso_afk 01:48:02 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:49:36 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:55 -!- mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:54:13 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:59:54 -!- tabemann [~travisb@adsl-69-217-161-54.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:09 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:10 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 02:10:22 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:40:18 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 02:42:37 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:23 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 02:43:29 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 02:53:41 tabemann [~travisb@108.199.221.210] has joined #scheme 02:56:02 -!- kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has quit [Quit: z____z] 02:56:45 Gooder` [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #scheme 03:00:53 -!- Gooder [~user@42.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:01:43 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:08:41 -!- tabemann [~travisb@108.199.221.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11:47 tsuyoshi [~tsuyoshi@hikaru.yumegakanau.org] has joined #scheme 03:12:24 yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has joined #scheme 03:14:26 if a procedure calls a macro, and then that macro is redefined, should the redefinition affect that procedure? 03:15:12 e.g. (define-syntax foo ...) (define (bar) (foo ...)) (define-syntax foo ...) (bar) 03:15:53 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21:51 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:28:14 -!- sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 03:29:30 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has left #scheme 03:30:26 tabemann [~travisb@adsl-108-199-221-210.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:31:29 aagh... having to implement primitives that take 3-5 arguments through pattern matching and manually checking bounds is *not fun* 03:35:23 sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has joined #scheme 03:36:09 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37:32 kobian [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 03:38:34 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:46:12 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 03:47:05 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:47:24 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 03:48:08 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:50:28 kobain_ [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 03:53:52 -!- kobian [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:12:02 tsuyoshi: macro redefinition should not affect existing procedures. Macros are expanded once when the code is compiled; the value of the procedure contains no remaining reference to them. 04:21:37 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 04:22:29 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-115-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:28:39 -!- xilo [~xilo@107-209-248-232.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:31:50 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@209.99.215.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:35:44 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:36:29 -!- yacks [~py@103.6.158.102] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:36:33 carleastlund: ok, that makes sense 04:37:11 cdidd [~cdidd@128-68-26-107.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 04:37:25 well, it makes sense from the point of view of the implementor, anyway 04:39:18 recompiling all the existing procedures using a redefined macro would be difficult 04:39:22 Macros are not intended to be a dynamic, runtime thing. For one thing, it would seriously slow down all code if you had to re-resolve macro expansion at runtime. The guarantee that macros are all handled once is also a big win for writing software, but it certainly is a bit of an adjustment if you're used to everything being dynamic. 04:41:34 carleastlund: do you know if this is described in r5rs anywhere? 04:42:29 I'm sure it is, but I'm not intimately familiar with R5RS as a document so I don't know where. 04:43:13 ok... I'm writing an interpreter and I've been trying to figure out how the macros are supposed to work 04:43:56 It's pretty easy to find stuff in R5RS. 04:43:56 I think I got it now though 04:46:10 acarrico [~acarrico@209.99.209.15] has joined #scheme 04:49:01 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 04:49:31 oh, let me ask: what is the most popular scheme implementation? 04:49:54 there are a lot of them but I have no sense of what people are really using 04:50:40 Racket is pretty popular; it's the one I use. Guile and Chicken are also popular, I'm told. 04:55:52 -!- pcarrier [uid12046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpellviaxaksrddn] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:00:56 It's hard to say. Not a lot of people talk about using Scheme. 05:01:56 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:35 Racket is 'comprehensive'/'bloaty' depending on your point of view... 05:18:28 -!- tabemann [~travisb@adsl-108-199-221-210.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:18:36 tsuyoshi: http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations 05:18:36 http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx 05:18:55 -!- jaaso_afk is now known as jaaso 05:23:33 -!- tenq [~tenq@199.19.116.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:25:08 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:27:37 tenq [~tenq@199.19.116.207] has joined #scheme 05:28:19 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 05:30:06 pcarrier [uid12046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofxlimybcvtnatly] has joined #scheme 05:33:50 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:35:57 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:37:57 -!- tenq [~tenq@199.19.116.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:39:04 tenq [~tenq@199.19.116.207] has joined #scheme 05:39:14 -!- carleastlund [~carleastl@209-6-40-238.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 05:51:43 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 05:56:42 userzxcvasdf [~neutral_a@c656847C1.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #scheme 05:57:21 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:58:42 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@bas2-montreal07-2925317871.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:01:12 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 06:07:40 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:11:40 -!- pcarrier [uid12046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofxlimybcvtnatly] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:14:12 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 06:14:59 -!- racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:16 -!- userzxcvasdf [~neutral_a@c656847C1.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:30 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 06:30:17 blasto-pod [~g@2606:6000:efc0:11:99e0:2b78:1cb5:19b2] has joined #scheme 06:35:36 -!- fogus|away [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:35:54 fogus|away [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #scheme 06:36:51 -!- kobain_ [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Quit: El motor por excelencia http://www.europio.org/] 06:40:42 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:45:06 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:04:06 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d0663d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: "Need to test something"] 07:05:00 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d0663d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 07:17:18 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d0663d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:18:27 pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d0663d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 07:21:37 is scsh being updated? 07:33:37 -!- mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 07:33:52 blasto-pod: https://github.com/scheme/scsh 07:41:31 I found 0,6,7 in my os repo is that the version on git? 07:52:07 hmm 07:54:16 blasto-pod: I'd doubt it. Roderic has been hacking on scsh lately, there's been a 0.7 release, IIRC. 07:55:03 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-51.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:07:05 nice 08:10:00 pcarrier [uid12046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uklfhfumcxhrqzje] has joined #scheme 08:13:58 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-50-156-85-49.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:16:39 $ rlwrap scsh 08:16:40 Welcome to scsh 0.7 08:16:40 Type ,? for help. 08:16:40 > 08:21:55 > (* 34 23 33333) 08:21:55 26066406 08:25:35 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64B97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 08:26:36 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64B97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:26:55 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64B97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 08:28:37 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 08:29:13 Gooder`` [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #scheme 08:31:21 -!- Gooder` [~user@218.69.12.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:17 amgarching 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