00:00:01 QoJ: It'll be easier to help you out once you ask the question :) 00:00:13 Well I just opened a dip and some chips so I could go watch a movie 00:00:27 When looking down to grab a chip something came to mind 00:00:36 I have to many chips for my dip 00:00:43 so I went to get another dip 00:00:46 and realized 00:00:50 if I open this dip 00:00:58 ill have to much dip for my chips 00:01:19 so im confounded 00:01:49 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:05 Anyone? 00:05:10 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:05:23 -!- ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:05:56 _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 00:06:09 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 00:08:19 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD62A38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:14:17 langmart` [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 00:18:52 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:24:14 -!- langmart` [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:25:26 -!- Qoj [~Joq@69-84-118-201-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:55 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD62A38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 00:42:01 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:42:05 aranhoide [~smuxi@149.Red-79-157-100.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 00:42:43 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:42:56 Qoj [~Joq@204.195.149.48] has joined #scheme 00:43:29 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:43:53 -!- tenq is now known as tenq|away 00:44:26 -!- tenq|away is now known as tenq 00:46:56 jarod____ [~jarod_che@115.192.184.61] has joined #scheme 00:47:35 -!- jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.192.184.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:06:10 -!- aranhoide [~smuxi@149.Red-79-157-100.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:07:13 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD92E0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:20:49 -!- Qoj [~Joq@204.195.149.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:31:57 -!- dsevilla [~user@174.Red-83-54-235.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:55 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD62A38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:40:36 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 01:47:35 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:48:47 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 01:49:19 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:45 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 01:55:58 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:56:25 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:57:32 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 01:57:37 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 01:57:52 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 01:58:31 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:58:40 theseb [d807e14e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.7.225.78] has joined #scheme 01:59:17 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:26 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:15 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:01:36 HOW are Lisp programs able to get compiled into an executable if it has dynamic typing? ...Python cannot compile down to an executable because (I think) of the dynamic typing?!?! 02:01:37 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 02:03:47 theseb: dynamic typing has nothing to do with being able to compile or not. 02:05:11 theseb: http://wiki.call-cc.org/chicken-compilation-process 02:05:29 carleastlund: e.g. Chicken Scheme can compile to C......how is that possible unless Chicken can guess Scheme types 100% of the time?!?! 02:06:44 theseb: There's no guessing going on. You can encode Scheme values in C using a single union type; the dynamic tests in Scheme then correspond to dynamic tag checks in C. 02:07:45 The hardest kinds of languages to compile well are the ones that use dictionary lookups for things like variable references, because then instead of having a direct register or memory lookup for variables, you have to manipulate strings and hash tables at runtime. Very expensive. Scheme's lexical scope doesn't have that problem. 02:07:50 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:18:16 Qoj [~Joq@204.195.149.48] has joined #scheme 02:18:20 carleastlund: nice...thanks 02:18:24 -!- theseb [d807e14e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.7.225.78] has left #scheme 02:19:39 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:38 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:22:01 -!- fridim_ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:23:58 Qoj: try #math 02:24:20 Haha 02:24:21 Qoj: I believe this is an unsolved problem of modern mathematics. 02:24:33 I agree 02:24:46 one that will challenge the brightest minds 02:24:57 ? 02:25:17 I think I unlocked a near impossible puzzle 02:25:23 many will struggle, but its worth it 02:25:37 Many will struggle, many will fail 02:25:45 until they come to the realization 02:25:49 it's impossible 02:26:02 only gods themself can solve such a complex problem 02:26:12 ... 02:26:26 Care to fill #scheme in on the joke? 02:27:00 This paradox* 02:27:00 Is no joke 02:27:00 I will explain it best I can 02:27:04 without making your mind unusable for decades to come 02:27:11 because you will be stuck in an aw state 02:27:16 of such complexity 02:27:23 Just see http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/scheme/ and scroll up a bit, Riastradh. 02:28:04 -!- Qoj [~Joq@204.195.149.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:05 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:12 I see. 02:28:17 So far all I've seen is spam. 02:28:26 Qoj [~Joq@204.195.149.48] has joined #scheme 02:28:26 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 02:28:30 Today around 8:00pm. 02:28:42 In what time zone? 02:28:50 Eastern US, sorry. :) 02:28:56 Riastradh, 02:28:59 I will explain 02:29:04 No need to see 02:29:11 It all started this evening 02:29:20 when I decided to relax and watch a movie 02:29:23 Very top of the most recent log day, actually. 02:29:27 I went and got some snacks 02:29:31 I was trying to spare us the lengthy retelling... 02:29:36 some chips 02:29:38 and a dip 02:29:49 when I sat down to see the matrix for the 49th time 02:29:52 Qoj, cut the crap and persuade me that you're not just spamming the channel, please. 02:29:55 I discovered something rather odd 02:30:02 He's spamming the channel. 02:30:16 It appeard I had too many chips for my dip 02:30:22 -!- brianloveswords [~brianlove@li124-154.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:30:27 so I went to the kitchen 02:30:29 You have thirty seconds. 02:30:33 thinking this could easily be solved 02:30:46 but when I saw what I just manifested 02:30:54 I became confounded 02:30:58 Q: 02:31:13 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Riastradh 02:31:22 If I open another dip, i'll have to much dip for my chips 02:31:30 and if I don't i'll have to many chips 02:31:33 for my dip 02:31:41 brianloveswords [~brianlove@li124-154.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 02:31:43 -!- Qoj [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has been kicked from #scheme by Riastradh (We don't appreciate spam.) 02:31:49 -!- Riastradh has set mode -o Riastradh 02:31:54 (add1 Riastradh) 02:33:13 r.i.p.. 02:38:10 w0rm_x [~dd@cpc3-newc14-2-0-cust247.gate.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 02:44:13 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 02:44:15 -!- kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:45:58 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 02:46:00 -!- kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:46:54 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 02:46:56 -!- kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:49:40 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 02:51:45 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:53:17 edw [~edw@cpe-67-250-41-96.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 02:53:42 -!- zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:53:42 -!- w0rm_x [~dd@cpc3-newc14-2-0-cust247.gate.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #scheme 02:54:02 zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 02:54:36 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:26 -!- edw [~edw@cpe-67-250-41-96.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:07:02 -!- muep_ [twingo@otitsun.oulu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:07:09 muep [twingo@otitsun.oulu.fi] has joined #scheme 03:25:23 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:37:43 Qoj [~Joq@69-84-118-201-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net] has joined #scheme 03:38:04 Hey :) Riastradh :) 03:42:04 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:42:29 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:44:00 arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:57:44 I, so far, feel like with scheme I'm dealing more with ideas and concepts, rather than a sequence of actions. 03:58:33 functional programming vs imperative programming, I guess is the common terminology for this? 03:59:58 yes 04:05:19 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 04:06:07 this is way cool 04:07:54 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@209.99.215.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:11:49 zacts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarative_programming 04:15:27 cool 04:17:23 Qw3rtyP0i [~Administr@211.97.15.16] has joined #scheme 04:21:16 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@173-10-14-122-BusName-stockton.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:21:59 -!- Qw3rtyP0i [~Administr@211.97.15.16] has left #scheme 04:22:45 acarrico [~acarrico@209.99.215.18] has joined #scheme 04:25:46 I have a question. let me paste: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138076 04:25:59 brianmwaters [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has joined #scheme 04:26:17 this is for exercise 9.11: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~bh/ssch9/lambda.html 04:27:01 I don't know if I'm doing it right. guile gives: $7 = (I the "I" quiet "I" cat "I") 04:27:16 what is the difference between I and "I" ? 04:27:25 igotnole_ [~igotnoleg@65-130-102-30.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #scheme 04:27:34 zacts: one is a symbol and one is a string 04:28:39 hm.. 04:28:48 -!- pcl [~pcl@cpe-172-254-108-166.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:28:53 It isn't working correctly, let me see if I can fix this. 04:29:07 a string is much as you think of it on other PL's, but a symbol is just a symbol 04:30:15 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 04:30:44 brianmwaters, I hereby appoint you Captain Tautology! :) 04:30:45 or, i should have said, "a symbol is something else" 04:31:15 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 04:31:23 haha, i think my revised definition would be at least as tautological 04:32:30 Strings and symbols are both kinds of data with textual names, but they have different performance characteristics. 04:32:51 Perhaps "textual contents" is better than "textual names" there. 04:35:55 yes, but symbols do something strings don't - that is, they can be unquoted and eval'ed, etc 04:36:18 That's a property of the eval function, not of the symbol datatype. 04:36:26 (at least, that's the perspective I prefer) 04:36:32 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37:31 But your point is correct -- they have different general purposes. It's just hard to sum up what those are in a better way than "they have different performance characteristics", within a single sentence. 04:39:05 yeah 04:39:17 but the performance characteristics would depend on the implementation :) 04:40:21 No, certain differences between the performance characteristics of strings and symbols are true of all implementations. 04:40:42 okay well i didn't know that 04:40:45 like what? 04:41:19 Symbols are interned. Two symbols of the same text are always eq? (except for explicitly uninterned symbols). So equal? is O(n) on strings and O(1) on symbols, for instance. 04:42:21 i see 04:42:33 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-130-232.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:42:35 unless the two strings really are the *same* in every way, then equal runs in O(1) :) 04:43:00 big-O is an upper-bound, not a lower-bound, so O(n) does allow for a few fast cases, yes. 04:43:01 and since they're immutable in scheme i can see that happening from time to time 04:43:06 true 04:43:44 okay i must reboot, i'll be back. 04:43:48 -!- brianmwaters [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:46:16 brianmwaters [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has joined #scheme 04:47:09 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:02:16 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13:21 -!- YoungFrog [~youngfrog@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:13:54 -!- _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 05:22:48 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 05:33:44 -!- xilo [~xilo@107-209-248-232.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:37:10 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 05:40:44 hey, is (procedure number? '1scheme2345) valid scheme? 05:40:58 namely the '1scheme2345 05:41:11 assuming procedure is bound to a procedure along with number? 05:41:38 Sure. 05:41:45 Why would it not be? 05:41:51 my vim is highlighting '1scheme2345 red 05:42:04 maybe vim can't parse scheme all that well 05:43:25 it depends on which scheme you're using. '1scheme2345 is not valid in r6rs 05:43:39 Oh? 05:43:48 What makes it invalid? 05:44:08 weinholt: maybe that is why 05:44:46 I think that my vim highlights the scheme standard, not specific implementations of scheme. 05:46:08 rudybot: (define foo (lambda (p a) (p a))) 05:46:08 arubin: your sandbox is ready 05:46:08 arubin: Done. 05:46:22 rudybot: (foo number? '1scheme2345) 05:46:22 arubin: ; Value: #f 05:47:29 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:47:45 my example is like: (keep number? '1scheme2345) 05:47:54 so it operates on each individual character 05:48:04 it keeps the characters that are numbers 05:48:25 'scheme12345 doesn't highlight red 05:48:28 zacts: I think symbol names that start with numeric characters are not valid in all Schemes, but are valid in some. 05:48:33 only if there is a number after a ' 05:48:50 ok, interesting 05:48:57 So he should be using "1scheme2345"? 05:49:27 "1scheme2345" works for me 05:49:35 arubin, in the lexical syntax an begins with an , and digits are not in , so it's not an identifier. it's also not a number, if you check those rules 05:49:45 What he should be using depends on what he's doing. For all I know, that code should be (procedure number? (sqrt (+ 1 2 3 4))). 05:49:47 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 05:50:06 He seems to want to treat it as a string. 05:50:37 http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~bh/ssch9/lambda.html - the last lesson of this chapter 05:51:23 There are no strings in that chapter, so I wouldn't suggest using strings in any solutions. 05:51:37 I mean the last quiz of the chapter 05:52:31 I don't see anything labeled a "quiz" and regardless, if there are no strings in the chapter, probably no exercises, problems, quizzes, exams, tests, or anything else based on the chapter will use strings. 05:52:40 ok 05:52:51 s/quiz/exercise/ 05:53:02 exercise 9.17 05:53:22 I'm not saying a string-based solution is necessarily wrong -- but probably there are solutions without strings, so if you're having a problem with symbols, I don't think the issue is that you're somehow expected to use strings instead. 05:54:29 keep normally works on words and sentences. so I'm trying to figure out how I should implement this. (define (keep f sent) ...) or (define (keep f wd) ...) 05:54:42 I'll figure it out 05:55:26 Where is every defined? 05:55:44 > (every (lambda (wd) (se (first wd) wd (last wd))) 05:55:45 '(only a northern song)) 05:55:47 (O ONLY Y A A A N NORTHERN N S SONG G) 05:55:49 > (keep (lambda (n) (member? 9 n)) '(4 81 909 781 1969 1776)) 05:55:50 (909 1969) 05:56:40 -!- brianmwaters [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:57:10 arubin: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~bh/downloads/simply/simply.scm 05:57:13 load that file 05:57:21 and you will have all of the simply scheme constructs 05:57:35 I see. 05:58:44 every does the string conversion... 05:59:43 -!- carleastlund [~carleastl@209-6-40-238.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 06:02:19 Gooder [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #scheme 06:05:26 ok 06:06:06 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE000e582ae076-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:07:57 gnomon [~gnomon@CPE000e582ae076-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #scheme 06:08:33 scrap that, every is just map, accumulate is fold, all the small procedures seem to treat symbols as strings. 06:08:52 -!- kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Quit: El motor por excelencia http://www.europio.org/] 06:11:59 actually every is like a map that flattens its output, keep is like filter, and the question is: write filter in terms of flatten-map, then again in terms of fold. 06:13:15 zacts: are you familiar with the standard functions of scheme? 06:13:21 not yet 06:13:31 cons cdr car 06:13:38 I know 06:13:40 of 06:14:17 but, not the others.. simply scheme does mention filter, map, and fold in a later ch 06:14:29 I think the ch on data abstraction 06:14:37 I skimmed it, but can't remember 06:14:38 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 06:14:52 *arubin* is not sure what to think about a book called Simply Scheme that does not start with simple Scheme procedures. 06:15:09 zacts: well, at least your question will make more sense to those here the way I rephrased it. So now that I think I understand the question, do you need any help with your exercise? 06:15:38 arubin: bit of a shock ain't it? ;D 06:16:11 hkBst: sorry. yeah I might have a couple of questions in a minute, but let me see if I can figure this out. 06:16:51 ah, that's right. sentence cons words onto sentences 06:16:59 in the simply scheme dialect 06:30:39 I think I've got it 06:34:41 ty ^_^ 06:38:02 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 06:43:12 trusktr [~trusktr@c-76-114-26-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:45:33 brianmwaters [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has joined #scheme 06:47:59 -!- crypto_ is now known as z0d 06:48:11 -!- z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has quit [Changing host] 06:48:11 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #scheme 07:05:01 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Ok, bed-time... peace people. o/] 07:09:04 micro` [~micro@ec2-50-16-189-142.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 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[~user@10.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:32 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:32 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-72-84-229-181.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:48:02 -!- tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 22:50:41 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #scheme 22:52:17 _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 22:54:23 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:57:31 leo_33 [~jswksl@46.12.22.174.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #scheme 22:57:35 i missed a job interview by phone yesterday. i called today and they sort of agreed that there were some technical problems and thats why we couldnt make it. i asked them to rearrange it. today i didnt get an email. where they lying? 22:58:41 leo_33, I think you may be in the wrong channel, we don't know anything about that here. 23:01:17 -!- zacts_ is now known as zacts 23:01:32 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:02:33 what this is? 23:02:42 what this channel is about please? 23:02:56 interview schemes? 23:03:09 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 23:03:16 leo_33, this channel is about a programming language called Scheme. Sorry for any confusion! 23:05:22 there is a programming language called scheme? 23:05:30 is that like c? 23:06:03 leo_33, it is a programming language in the same sense as C, yes, although it differs in many details. 23:06:12 i thought this channel was for trolls 23:07:12 what is scheme good for? 23:08:01 leo_33: Making cash; ran at least two startups on it and a few big-ass government contracts. 23:08:14 -!- klutomet1s [~klutometi@klutometis.wikitex.org] has quit [Changing host] 23:08:14 klutomet1s [~klutometi@pdpc/supporter/professional/klutometis] has joined #scheme 23:08:18 -!- klutomet1s is now known as klutometis 23:08:21 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:08:52 leo_33, Just about anything, really. See http://schemers.org/ for more info if you're interested. 23:09:08 is it more scientific programming tool? 23:09:09 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@technoanimal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:14:36 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #scheme 23:14:37 dsp_ [~dsp@technoanimal.net] has joined #scheme 23:17:00 -!- Denommus [~user@unaffiliated/denommus] has quit [Quit: calculus test] 23:18:09 klutometis: what kind of applications? was it server side web stuff, or other applications? 23:19:11 Low-level stuff from robot control up through statistics to report generation and web apps. 23:19:20 Whole-stack 23:19:26 wow neat 23:19:52 so scheme really isn't just an academic language 23:20:47 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:21:47 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:22:50 guix 23:24:00 zacts: scheme is perfectly capable of writing "real" stuff -- just about every language is -- the only real barrier is whether people get over "but X isn't a _real_ language" prejudices and bother to use it. 23:25:04 yeah, I want to get involved more with the scheme community as I learn SICP and scheme 23:25:13 I have a local lisp/scheme user group I want to attend 23:25:45 I really feel like scheme and haskell are going to be my favorite languages for many problems 23:25:57 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:26:40 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@technoanimal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:27:29 if plato or aristotle were alive today, I would think that they would use scheme 23:28:58 klutometis: I found this article on MIT about a startup that used lisp/scheme that eventually sold to yahoo. 23:29:02 let me find it.. 23:30:19 http://tinyurl.com/klf8uwz 23:32:53 dsp_ [~dsp@technoanimal.net] has joined #scheme 23:34:46 here are the MIT lecture notes for SICP http://tinyurl.com/63g89nf 23:35:58 klutometis: I take it you're gainfully employed 23:36:31 offby1: are you the one who once said that scheme is mainly used for "academic wanking"? 23:36:48 *offby1* glances around nervously. 23:36:59 I'd never say such a thing! Who says I did?! 23:38:06 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:38:13 It probably _is_, but most programming languages are mainly used for useless stuff of some variety or another. I mean, if we had a repository of every program in C or Python or Java or whatever, how many would be applications that made some company its living, and how many would be little fiddling-around projects some student wrote in their spare time and never finished? 23:39:19 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:39:58 fridim__ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has joined #scheme 23:41:23 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@c-76-114-26-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:44:05 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:44:49 haha 23:45:17 :D 23:45:38 but seriously yeah, I think that that is true carleastlund 23:47:33 trusktr_ [~trusktr@c-76-114-26-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:53:02 ha. i have a lot of C wankery floating around 23:53:17 on various hard drives 23:53:28 -!- trusktr_ [~trusktr@c-76-114-26-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:47 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:57:16 -!- agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]