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Operator, maybe ? 17:02:43 Yes, in CL they're called operators. 17:06:05 -!- noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:29 noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 17:06:43 -!- boycottg00gle [~user@stgt-5f71bcf5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:57 jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 17:13:51 TheCrownedFox [~austin@186.sub-70-196-193.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 17:14:45 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD63871.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:16:48 so I'm working through TLS (with the mit-scheme interpretter if it matters) and I'd like to be able to use to function from a list in place of another, like so: pastebin.com/hBKT1XLN why doesn't this work? 17:19:19 TheCrownedFox: Type (car expr) 17:19:22 Then type + 17:19:26 Compare the output. 17:19:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 17:20:14 You are attempting to call quoted +, not a procedure. 17:20:27 oh ok, so one is the literal symbol +, where as the other is the actual function. 17:20:53 how would I go about achieving my intention then? 17:21:03 TheCrownedFox: If I tell you someone will be upset. 17:21:14 why? 17:21:21 Because the answer is upsetting. 17:22:00 oh, ok. well I guess I shall google it then. 17:23:29 TheCrownedFox: ((eval (car expr)) 2 3) 17:23:33 *arubin* hides. 17:23:48 why is that upsetting? 17:23:55 Schemers do not like eval. 17:24:09 why? 17:24:37 I cannot provide a good answer. I am new to Scheme myself. 17:24:58 The preferred solution is some kind of dispatch table. 17:25:12 what is that? 17:28:36 -!- tupi [~user@189.60.25.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30:21 TheCrownedFox: http://pastebin.com/JGfV1cEA 17:30:46 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 17:31:21 -!- dbe [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:31:23 oh, so its just a giant switch that looks at the literal and returns the function that matches to it 17:31:33 Well, that is just an example. 17:31:42 There are better ways to do it. 17:32:21 it solves my problem though, thank you. 17:33:11 dbe [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 17:33:34 -!- dbe is now known as Guest21473 17:33:56 What is TLS? 17:34:03 eh, was about to ask that 17:34:31 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:34:51 The Little Schemer. searching online it seemed to be a common acronym, so it made sense to use here. 17:35:46 Oh, duh. 17:40:14 -!- TheCrownedFox [~austin@186.sub-70-196-193.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:42:10 TheCrownedFox [~austin@95.211.138.27] has joined #scheme 17:50:35 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 17:57:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-90.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:54 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-90.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 18:07:58 kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has joined #scheme 18:15:15 dawmei [~daw@122.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 18:21:50 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:28:15 homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 18:33:59 -!- pcl [~pcl@172.254.108.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:36:01 ASau``` [~user@p5797E3FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:39:28 -!- ASau`` [~user@p4FF96727.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:13:07 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:20:14 arubin, TheCrownedFox: http://blog.racket-lang.org/2011/10/on-eval-in-dynamic-languages-generally.html 19:20:15 http://tinyurl.com/62xs38x 19:20:56 In the context of JS, but worth a read for the puns alone: www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/gkrichar/papers/eval-ecoop-2011.pdf 19:21:12 Thanks, I will take a look. 19:21:21 I think that someone recommended the first one last time that this topic came up. 19:21:26 But I never finished reading it. 19:21:31 The first one is probably more understandable for a general audience. 19:22:02 It should be required reading for anyone mentioning `eval', ever. 19:23:13 stamourv: Now you need a resource for the alternative. 19:23:59 It's pretty basic programming, IMO. 19:24:18 How to map a finite set of values from one datatype to values in another. 19:24:42 The key is understanding that symbols and functions are different datatypes. 19:25:08 pierpa`` [~user@host82-222-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 19:25:26 stamourv: It is something that many programmers have not done though, unfortunately. 19:25:38 Because it does not come up in many languages. 19:28:08 -!- pierpa` [~user@host204-228-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:31:13 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 19:35:12 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 19:40:30 -!- dawmei [~daw@122.Red-79-156-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: dawmei] 19:50:47 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:47 robot-beethoven [~user@24.118.142.0] has joined #scheme 19:58:51 stamourv, thanks! 20:05:22 peterhil [~peterhil@85-76-159-104-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #scheme 20:05:49 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@240.Red-83-59-17.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:53 Would it be non-idiomatic in Scheme to apply a user-supplied procedure and, if it returns a certain value, say #f, apply a default procedure ? Or is there a better way for a procedure to say "I can't handle this, try another procedure" ? 20:28:04 Hrm, I think I'll figure a way to pass around the default/fall-back, such that it can be used explicitly. A certain type of procedure should do. 20:28:44 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:33:22 -!- TheRealPygo is now known as pygospa 20:42:03 estevocastro [~estevocas@240.Red-83-59-17.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:52:04 -!- TheCrownedFox [~austin@95.211.138.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:55:16 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 20:57:08 -!- sebastianb [terror@2001:41d0:1:a84b:98bd::1] has left #scheme 20:59:32 TheCrownedFox [~austin@186.sub-70-196-193.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 21:00:59 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:02:14 dawmei [~daw@74.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:03 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-14-77.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:05:50 -!- cosmez_ [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:09:08 -!- Isp-sec [~palach@93.175.8.253] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:10:58 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:58 adiii [~adityavit@c-50-156-85-49.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:19:42 -!- add^_ [~user@m176-70-3-33.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:19:43 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-169-213.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:31:43 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:35:47 ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 21:39:58 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@240.Red-83-59-17.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:41:51 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 21:47:54 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 21:48:43 ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 21:50:49 -!- Guest21473 [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:42 jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 21:53:45 -!- jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:53:45 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 21:54:28 -!- newtothis [~chatzilla@77.127.4.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:56:08 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:02:55 -!- gjord [~gjord@ool-18babf32.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:03:09 -!- dawmei [~daw@74.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:04:38 dbe [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 22:05:01 -!- dbe is now known as Guest42723 22:05:52 -!- Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:06:47 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:10:44 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 22:14:50 gjord [~gjord@ool-18babf32.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 22:21:16 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:40:23 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 22:47:25 -!- bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:34 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 22:48:55 LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af43bb4.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #scheme 22:49:41 -!- TheCrownedFox [~austin@186.sub-70-196-193.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:54:31 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@85-76-159-104-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:51 TheCrownedFox [~austin@186.sub-70-196-193.myvzw.com] has joined #scheme 23:13:46 -!- Guest42723 [~dbe@h-106-38.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:14:48 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:14:54 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:16:37 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:23:25 Demos [~Demos@108.113.150.253] has joined #scheme 23:23:40 pcl [~pcl@cpe-172-254-108-166.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:28:30 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #scheme 23:32:55 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@209.99.215.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:05 BossKonaSegwaY1 [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 23:36:37 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:37:16 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42:24 -!- alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD63871.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:44 arbscht [~arbscht@fsf/member/arbscht] has joined #scheme