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I also tried the MIT Implementation, but it didn't seem to work so well. Guess I am sticking to Racket. Should I use R5RS? 00:51:12 cyanboy: I recomment using #lang racket, and not using one of the Scheme-standard compatibility languages. They don't have all the useful Rackety features. 00:52:31 The Scheme standards are useful for doing research on language features, implementing experimental compilers, and so forth, but if you want to get some programming done, it helps to have a language with extensive libraries. The Scheme standard does not have those; that's not its purpose. 00:53:54 cyanboy, what didn't work so well? 00:54:27 Two windows popped up and there is no interpeter. + the tutorial was broken 00:54:32 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 00:54:36 On what operating system? 00:54:41 -!- bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:55:32 Windows 00:55:52 OK, sorry, I don't know anything about that. 00:59:18 Anyway, thanks for the help, carleastlund! 00:59:18 -!- cyanboy [~cyanboy@74.149.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has left #scheme 01:04:24 -!- BossKonaSegwaY1 [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:05:03 BossKonaSegwaY1 [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 01:06:06 -!- TheRealPygo is now known as pygospa 01:07:58 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 01:09:02 -!- BossKonaSegwaY1 [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:34 Gooder 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[~tomobrien@cpc14-dals15-2-0-cust157.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 07:06:10 pinkieOut: Why would you need that ? Does the string pass through a certain parser ? 07:08:07 The string is passed to the system with an appended shell command (e.g., "mv ~/path with spaces/myfile.txt") 07:09:11 pinkieOut: That's asking for command-injection issues. Although if you know that the receiver is a Bourne/POSIX shell, there's ways to generate properly quoted, safe strings, if you really want to generate shell code. 07:09:55 (Well, for any target shell there will be a way I guess, I only happen to know the Bourne shell quoting rules though.) 07:10:46 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11:11 The receiver is a POSIX shell, so properly quoted strings are what I'm looking for 07:11:39 Is there some obvious pre-existing utility for quoting strings that I'm not aware of? 07:14:14 Cromulent [~Cromulent@cpc1-reig5-2-0-cust251.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 07:14:31 I don't know any, except for my Emacs Lisp utility library. :P But here's how you do it: replace all occurrences of a single-quote ("'") with the sequence single-quote,backslash,single-quote,single-quote ("'\''"), then wrap the result in single quotes. Now the interpretation of this string will still depend on where exactly you inject it, but if it's whitespace-separated from other characters it should be fine; take care though. 07:14:48 jewel [~jewel@105-237-9-188.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 07:16:10 (Consider if there might be a way to run whatever process you want, with the correct argument-vector, without having the shell in-between.) 07:16:53 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17:49 I'm relatively new to scheme, and my scheme-centric solutions to my problem are slow by comparison to shopping out work to the shell... 07:18:53 Oddly, my utility works fine on OS X, but fails because of string escaping on linux 07:19:26 Isp-sec [~palach@93.175.8.253] has joined #scheme 07:20:05 pinkieOut: what taylanub means is something like (process "some-program" (list "some" "arg" "list")), i.e. executing some-program bypassing the shell so that you don't need to worry about quoting at all 07:20:10 -!- tomobrien [~tomobrien@cpc14-dals15-2-0-cust157.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:20:43 `process' is the name of that procedure in chicken, other implementations may have other names, of course 07:21:05 or do you actually want to use shell features? 07:21:15 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 07:23:00 What I'm doing is using "pure" scheme to recursively grab files (and their paths), and then I'm moving these files to the trash. Scheme grabs the path strings for me, and then I issue a shell "mv" command with the file path appended to the end 07:23:19 an ugly hack, but hey... it worked like a charm on my other machine. 07:23:22 yes, then you can bypass the shell 07:23:27 it's safer in any case 07:23:38 and the API is cleaner, too 07:24:13 I would think that your implementation has some file-move procedure, too, though 07:24:13 The equivalent chicken scheme procedure for moving those files (which are big video files) is quite slow, hence why I moved to using shell commands 07:24:33 ah so you are on chicken 07:25:13 I was using file-move in Unit files 07:25:34 but this was prohibitively slow for large files 07:26:06 pinkieOut: try rename-file instead 07:27:01 I'll give it try-- thanks! 07:27:51 *taylanub* wonders what `file-move' does that makes it slow -- but yeah, moving is normally renaming in Unix. 07:29:02 true. somehow I was unaware of the existence of rename-file. 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[~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 21:41:26 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:28 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 21:45:55 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 21:47:18 -!- agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:49:18 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:28 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 21:51:51 -!- copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has quit [Quit: checkity check out.] 21:52:21 copec [copec@schrodbox.unaen.org] has joined #scheme 21:53:48 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 21:59:43 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:49 What are the most popular scheme implementations? 22:06:20 -!- bsp [~bsp@ip-64-134-174-99.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:15 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:09:10 wbooze_ [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-185-241.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 22:11:01 -!- arrdem [~user@173.226.190.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:06 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:12:48 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:12:51 Okasu_ [~1@94.25.229.91] has joined #scheme 22:15:37 nmeum_: it's relative. There are more scheme implementations than schemers. The most populars are the ones made by their own users. :-) 22:15:56 -!- deepspawn [~deepspawn@181.48.97.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:56 pjb: I don't think that's what popular means. nmeum_: personally, I recommend Racket for most practical purposes. I believe Chez Scheme, MIT Scheme and Gambit are also popular implementations. 22:17:11 bigloo is nice too. 22:18:49 And again, it's relative. bigloo is much more popular around here (it's made at the INRIA) than around Boston (where they make Racket). 22:21:37 -!- xchg [~xchg@unaffiliated/xchg] has left #scheme 22:21:49 carleastlund: I always thought that racket was a different lisp dialekt which was just heavily inspired by scheme? 22:21:59 racket is pretty assuredly a scheme 22:22:23 (I am pretty new to scheme) but is it also compatible with this RSXX standards? 22:24:23 nmeum_: Racket is not just a Scheme, it has a lot more, but it is a Scheme dialect. There are minor variances from the standard, but most implementations have those, and they're never done lightly -- there's always a reason we've found it necessary to change something from "vanilla Scheme". 22:24:40 chicken is popular too 22:25:46 -!- Okasu_ [~1@94.25.229.91] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:27:26 unscientific poll: #racket has 113 members right now, #chicken 64, #gambit 9, #bigloo 6 22:28:07 #guile 58 22:28:49 Some people prefer to use #scheme for all Scheme discussion... 22:29:29 yes, I don't think there's even a chibi-specific channel, although I suppose chibi should be popular too? 22:29:30 He did explicitly specify "unscientific", so I think challenging the rigor of his poll is pretty pointless. 22:30:19 and I think bigloo is more popular than what those figures suggest 22:30:55 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 22:31:03 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD63FD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:35:03 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:24 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:45:57 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:23 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af43173.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:26 perhaps bigloo's users have more important things to do than waste time on IRC 22:51:37 Heh. 22:56:05 tomobrien [~tomobrien@cpc14-dals15-2-0-cust157.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 22:57:04 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@158.Red-83-40-74.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:57:38 LAMMJohnson [~ja@host86-167-82-22.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:01:25 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 23:10:06 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:11:08 bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 23:11:09 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:26 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:23 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:27:10 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 23:29:52 -!- tomobrien [~tomobrien@cpc14-dals15-2-0-cust157.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:33:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-169.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:34:42 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:38 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]