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przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 13:09:41 tenq [~hatFolk@SSID-Mason.wireless.gmu.edu] has joined #scheme 13:10:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:30 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-141-95.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:49 AryanKing [~AryanGeni@c122-106-52-244.rivrw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #scheme 13:15:42 Greetings, inferior untermenschens. Might I inquire as to the optimal path to learn Scheme for an accomplished academician (with a strong background in mathematics) like me? 13:16:15 igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71.219.141.83] has joined #scheme 13:17:18 Will learning it help me to program my gas chambers more elegantly? Or should I ditch dynamic languages and stick to strong static ones? 13:17:56 stamourv [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 13:17:56 -!- stamourv [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 13:17:56 stamourv [~user@racket/stamourv] has joined #scheme 13:19:22 xilo [~xilo@107-209-248-232.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 13:23:58 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:06 ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 13:26:48 jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 13:26:51 -!- jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:26:52 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 13:27:14 racycle [~racycle@75-25-129-128.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 13:31:37 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 13:35:14 -!- AryanKing [~AryanGeni@c122-106-52-244.rivrw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:36:13 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #scheme 13:37:03 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 13:40:26 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 13:42:04 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:42:27 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 13:46:51 pnpuff [~exa@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #scheme 13:47:54 romcgb [romcgb@ip-83-101-43-154.customer.schedom-europe.net] has joined #scheme 13:50:21 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:51:28 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #scheme 13:51:39 hi 13:51:47 does chicken produces static link libraries? 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I'm not sure why Schemers get so excited about it..i agree it is cool but not sure a beginner would understand or care 17:14:09 don't waste stack space on recursion ? 17:16:00 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 17:16:19 wbooze: yes...it is nice i agree.... 17:16:48 For many programs....an absolute can (should?) hopefully just assume he has infinite memory and concentrate on other stuff first 17:16:55 absolute beginner* 17:17:24 nah 17:17:45 you pretty fast get at a state where you wish stack space wastage wouldn't restrict you further..... 17:19:00 and knowing howto iterate thru your expresssions without wasting stack space is .....ummm not bad 17:19:25 but not a prerequisite to prgramming yes 17:19:33 k, thanks\ 17:19:33 theseb: it means you can have an iterative recursion. 17:19:44 you don't need two separate notions 17:19:52 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 17:20:15 I wouldn't say we're excited by it, it's just expected infrastructure now 17:23:34 pierpa [~user@host204-228-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 17:26:09 how do I convert the C_word result from a CHICKEN_eval to a int? 17:35:46 tenq [~hatFolk@SSID-Mason.wireless.gmu.edu] has joined #scheme 17:37:16 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:43:24 -!- ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:44:18 _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 17:46:05 -!- ijp [~user@host109-151-48-188.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:50:40 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:56:02 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 17:57:35 -!- Nisstyre-laptop is now known as Nisstyre 17:59:18 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 18:00:08 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #scheme 18:00:45 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64FE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:01:17 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:25 barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:10:57 joneshf-work [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 18:11:39 carleastlund [~carleastl@209-6-40-238.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 18:14:18 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64FE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:22:17 -!- jyc [~jyc@173.245.6.163] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 18:22:20 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 18:22:49 jyc [~jyc@173.245.6.163] has joined #scheme 18:24:15 taylanub [tub@p4FD91FA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:26:37 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 18:28:24 tomobrie1 [~tomobrien@cpc14-dals15-2-0-cust157.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 18:31:16 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 18:31:33 -!- barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:34:55 ASau` [~user@p5797E401.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:38:23 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E304.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:55 -!- tenq [~hatFolk@SSID-Mason.wireless.gmu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46:43 arrdem [~user@173.226.190.118] has joined #scheme 18:47:08 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:54 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 18:53:01 ijp [~user@host109-151-48-188.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 19:01:23 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:03:24 hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 19:03:25 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 19:03:27 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:18 -!- tomobrie1 [~tomobrien@cpc14-dals15-2-0-cust157.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:10:13 barglfargl [~brglfrgl@66-168-203-39.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:12:02 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 19:13:55 LimitSupremum [~Adium@c-24-130-147-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:17:34 obviously one can live without it, which makes me wonder if I really need it. 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I just miss ECL's SLIME 20:06:45 -!- asdfasd_ [bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192] has left #scheme 20:08:30 Denommus: some Schemes have SLIME support :) not sure about chicken 20:09:05 ecraven: chicken has a SLIME. Not as good as CL's, though 20:10:22 Denommus: improve it, most things (except M-. and friends) aren't too hard :) 20:10:32 dsevilla [~user@66.Red-79-151-177.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 20:11:41 ecraven: I probably will. But right now I don't have the time even for using it as I want to 20:12:38 LAMMJohn1on [~ja@user-5af438d3.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #scheme 20:13:57 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-249-26.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14:29 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af43ecc.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:15:29 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:19:28 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 20:19:50 tomobrie1 [~tomobrien@cpc14-dals15-2-0-cust157.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 20:27:47 -!- deepspawn [~deepspawn@181.48.97.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:42 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 20:37:28 szablica [~karol@89-67-52-124.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #scheme 20:38:58 So, Chibi Scheme has this library called (chibi weak). 20:39:58 I read the sld file and saw it doesn't provide weak references, but something called ephemerons. 20:40:55 I googled it and both Wikipedia and the Racket documentation popped out. 20:41:40 -!- LAMMJohn1on [~ja@user-5af438d3.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:41:49 As far as I understand an ephemeron has a weak reference to a key and a strong reference to a value. 20:42:21 When the key becomes unreachable through strong references, the reference to the value becomes weak. 20:43:28 LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af438d3.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #scheme 20:44:00 turbofail [~user@107-215-216-65.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:44:00 szablica: that's oversimplistic, because the value can be collected even when it contains a reference to the key. 20:44:26 The paper that introduces them is pretty interesting: http://pdf.aminer.org/000/522/273/ephemerons_a_new_finalization_mechanism.pdf 20:44:27 http://tinyurl.com/k4gohwv 20:45:03 carleastlund: Well, right. 20:45:27 -!- alexshendi [~alexshend@HSI-KBW-078-043-199-120.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has left #scheme 20:46:24 Anyway, the racket docs say that a weak reference could me implemented by making the key and value the same. 20:48:36 http://paste.lisp.org/display/137980 20:48:46 Hence, this confuses me. 20:49:48 I would expect the values from both boxes to get collected. 20:50:25 *both ephemerons 20:53:01 Rubix_ [~Rubix@38.111.0.121] has joined #scheme 20:53:27 -!- LimitSupremum [~Adium@c-24-130-147-208.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57:19 szablica: has the garbage collector even been run at any point in your example? And the results are going to depend on how Chibi's collector treats small numbers. 20:58:54 I'm not sure I can verify whether it has run without asking on the mailing list. 20:59:30 Ie asking the implementor how th GC behaves with this respect. 21:00:01 szablica, unless there's an explicit way to invoke the garbage collector, I don't think you can count on ephemerons being freed at any specific time; you can only count on when they're not freed, and when they might be freed. 21:01:30 Ok, just out of curiosity, how could the treatment of small numbers affect the behaviour? 21:02:07 szablica, if they're represented unboxed, they might never get collected because they don't take up space, so ephemerons containing them might never be "broken". 21:02:25 tenq [~hatFolk@SSID-Mason.wireless.gmu.edu] has joined #scheme 21:02:33 -!- Isp-sec [~palach@93.175.8.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:03:30 Ok, thanks. :) 21:04:50 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: 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