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01:35:43 what you proposed yesterday re: adding coroutines as a r7rs-large library 01:36:22 did you mean the semantics would be those obtained by implement these coroutines with continuations 01:36:25 ? 01:36:44 I mean, for the purposes of unwind guards 01:37:03 should they get called when you switched execution from one coroutine to the other? 01:38:28 gf3_ [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has joined #scheme 01:38:50 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f7683f6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:50 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:50 -!- tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:50 -!- ozzloy_ [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:50 -!- YoungFrog [~youngfrog@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:50 -!- xilo_ [~xilo@107-209-248-232.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:50 -!- permagreen [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:51 -!- Reisen [~Reisen@unaffiliated/reisen] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:51 -!- entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:51 -!- gf3 [~gf3@aether.gf3.ca] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:51 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:51 -!- mario-goulart [~user@email.parenteses.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:52 -!- dpk [~r00t@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:52 -!- amgarching [~matveev@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:38:59 if that's the case, it's easy to add them as libraries on top of plain r7rs-small 01:39:25 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41:20 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 01:46:23 permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has joined #scheme 01:46:36 entitativity [~entity@c-50-136-180-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:46:58 sharkbir1 [~dingdong@sharkbird.com] has joined #scheme 01:47:41 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-34-198.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 01:48:06 langmart` [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 01:48:15 -!- langmart` [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:27 jrslepak_ [~jrslepak@punchout.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 01:48:44 Saeren_ [~saeren@mail.skepsi.net] has joined #scheme 01:49:17 DerGuteM1ritz [~syn@saturn.lileth.net] has joined #scheme 01:49:19 -!- sharkbird [~dingdong@sharkbird.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:19 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@punchout.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:20 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:21 -!- DerGuteMoritz [~syn@saturn.lileth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:21 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:21 -!- Saeren [~saeren@mail.skepsi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:21 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:34d5:401d:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:21 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:21 -!- pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-34-198.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:49:21 -!- acedia [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:36 acedia [~rage@2a01:1e8:e139:2112:f4c2:f404:98b0:4581] has joined #scheme 01:50:41 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #scheme 01:50:59 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:34d5:401d:b3ee:137e] has joined #scheme 01:51:38 or r5rs for that matter 01:52:15 FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@user235-130.wireless.utoronto.ca] has joined #scheme 01:52:37 pothos_ [~pothos@114-36-247-174.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 01:52:50 preflex_ [~preflex@mnch-4d043d1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 01:53:10 I did mean that, indeed. Most but not all the R7RS-large libraries will be implementable on R7RS-small. 01:53:23 theRealPermagree [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has joined #scheme 01:53:56 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:54:23 sad0ur_ [~sad0ur@ip-89-102-144-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #scheme 01:54:37 krig_ [~krig@109.74.3.242] has joined #scheme 01:54:37 danking_ [~danking@gorf.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 01:55:18 LAMMJohn1on [~ja@user-5af439d4.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #scheme 01:55:35 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #scheme 01:55:40 jrapdx0 [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:57:52 -!- FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@user235-130.wireless.utoronto.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:59:18 -!- permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:19 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af439d4.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:59:19 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit 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03:44:31 maybe I should create a #scheme-newbie channel? 03:44:44 or #sicp-newbies? 03:44:58 zacts, nope, this is the right channel for newcomers, questions welcome! 03:45:08 cool 03:45:47 zacts -- data abstraction is exactly what you say. It's providing clients with what they need, but no more, so that the implementation can use/change/hide all unnecessary details. 03:46:09 ok, so how is data abstraction different from OOP? 03:46:17 or are they different? 03:47:30 zacts -- OOP is a separate kind of thing. You can have both, either, or neither. Certainly many suggested styles of OOP use data abstraction, but you could write OOP programs without data abstraction, or non-OOP programs with data abstraction, just as well. 03:48:52 Data abstraction is a kind of thing you might want to do, and OOP is a tool you might use to achieve it. 03:49:00 I see 03:49:22 what is logic programming? 03:49:46 Reisen [~Reisen@unaffiliated/reisen] has joined #scheme 03:49:47 dpk [~r00t@obquire.infologie.co] has joined #scheme 03:50:16 I got the little schemer logic book, haven't gone thru it yet. 03:50:35 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:50:41 ffio_ [~fire@203.109.64.78] has joined #scheme 03:50:55 That's a whole different thing. It's a kind of programming language based on a specific sort of search algorithm, that tries to find solutions to a specific kind of equations you enter. It's an interesting phenomenon, and useful for some kinds of problems, but it's not really something that's practical for general purpose programming. 03:51:14 so it's more specific to certain domains. 03:51:43 Yes. And certainly can be useful to learn about, in discovering the interesting kinds of things programs can do. 03:51:44 -!- ffio_ [~fire@203.109.64.78] has quit [Client Quit] 03:51:57 Triclops256 [~Triclops2@199.19.116.207] has joined #scheme 03:52:28 I do believe that psychologically learning one domain of study can also help you to solve problems in another domain of study in new ways. 03:52:40 it seems, also. 03:52:47 ffio [~fire@203.109.64.78] has joined #scheme 03:52:57 so, let me see if I can paste an example of data abstraction. 03:53:00 in scheme 03:53:05 That is the case with many things. But not all things are equal. 03:54:02 actually I'm not that far yet.. maybe after the weekend I'll post some code. 03:54:11 it will use non standard scheme though 03:54:18 non standard? 03:54:24 simply scheme extensions 03:55:37 so I may have to explain my pastes a bit. once I start sicp, I'll paste mainly standard scheme examples though. 03:56:03 (not answers to examples out of the books) 03:56:17 just, my own personal projects to understand everything 03:56:58 I haven't seen Simply Scheme, but extensions for an introductory programming text will probably be pretty self-explanatory. You're probably fine to just post them without explanation, and see if anyone needs to ask. 03:57:05 ah ok 03:57:18 Good luck with the reading in any event! 03:57:18 one last question, for now 03:57:21 ok 03:57:37 how do you basically abstract data in scheme without resorting to using OOP? 03:57:46 selectors / constructors? 03:57:46 carleastlund: Yeah, they're pretty basic and/or self-explanatory. 03:59:41 zacts, yes, selectors and constructors. In general, whatever you can write in OOP with objects and methods, you can write in another language using functions. Just add an extra argument for the "this" object. 03:59:44 youlysses: have you finished simply scheme? 04:00:30 -!- Reisen [~Reisen@unaffiliated/reisen] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:00:30 -!- dpk [~r00t@obquire.infologie.co] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:00:48 zacts: Extremely close, I've been super-busy with getting ready to move out of my Parents' house this month ... so it'll be awhile before I do so formally. 04:00:51 adiii [~adityavit@c-68-45-152-123.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:57 cool, how far? 04:01:01 and have you read any sicp? 04:01:12 I'm only to higher order functions. 04:01:17 hope to finish it this weekend 04:02:28 zacts: I stared with SICP, got maybe 100 pages in and knew I wasn't ready. Didn't know there was a precursor until like a year later... then I got to maybe around 350? Plan to backtrack a little once I get the chance to back into it though. :^P 04:02:29 carleastlund: neat, thanks 04:03:19 youlysses: yeah, I have a friend who knows a lot of math and ML to help me through the book. 04:04:08 I would be totally lost by myself, or would have to create my own channel so I don't flood with too many questions. :p 04:04:56 zacts, don't hesitate to ask basic questions here. Helping newcomers to learn the language is about the most fun thing to do on this channel. Seriously, we want you to ask any/all questions. 04:05:05 ok, cool 04:05:39 like I can't remember how to do proofs, and one exercise in ch1 of sicp asks me to do a proof 04:05:45 tenq [~hatFolk@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:05:56 I want to complete as many exercises as I can. 04:06:28 I'm just thinking that it will get more complex from there. 04:06:41 mathematically that is 04:06:45 Oh wow. I've never read SICP myself, but that's pretty hardcore. I'd just ignore the "do a proof" parts, if you're coming to it to learn Scheme. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for proofs, but you don't need to know how to do proofs to learn Scheme. 04:07:19 ok, yeah. well my math friend is going to help me and teach me the math I don't know/remember. 04:07:31 but, that is also promising 04:08:14 I take it SICP is very math heavy. Perhaps I should read it some time, just to be able to help others through it! I had no idea what was actually in it. :) 04:08:46 :-) 04:09:28 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:56 For reference, there's not a lot of "math", per se, required for basic programming, and even a lot of advanced stuff. There are of course advanced topics where it becomes very important, but you shouldn't need a whole lot of math just to get started. 04:10:22 ok, that's also promising 04:10:38 I want to learn about good design early on 04:10:44 Of course, individual text books will vary in how much math they involve, directly or indirectly. 04:11:09 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:11:28 zacts, I definitely recommend How To Design Programs (see htdp.org) for learning Scheme(-ish) programming with good design. Very much for beginners, and very math-lite. 04:11:44 In case you're looking for more texts. 04:11:50 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #scheme 04:12:13 -!- xilo_ [~xilo@107-209-248-232.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:12:15 I'll read it. though, I already have sicp set up with my friend starting next week or so. 04:12:48 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 04:12:50 *youlysses* is always pleased that Scheme has such an academic backing (for obvious reasons). :^) 04:13:09 I'm just thinking that sicp + math geek + irc + math books will be enough for me to get the gist of it. 04:13:17 I probably will read sicp more than once. 04:13:50 so simply scheme -> sicp -> HTDP -> what is that language design book? 04:14:08 If you're just starting, I don't recommend something that requires math tutors + math books + constant tutoring just to get "the gist" of it. I strongly recommend starting with something you can really dig into and understand much more thoroughly on your own. Tutoring will then smooth the way, not just make it barely comprehensible. 04:14:29 ok 04:14:29 zacts: Well I'd put HTDP on the same-lever as SSCH. 04:14:43 Yes, if you're going to read HtDP, read it before SICP. 04:14:50 *level 04:15:23 It's much more basic, will almost certainly help you with SICP, and there's no point reading a basic text _after_ a more advanced one. 04:15:56 s/.../ssch->htdp->sicp/ == ^_^ 04:16:03 bhrgunatha [~chatzilla@1-168-64-24.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 04:16:13 Then when you get your math friend to help you with SICP, you can teach some things about programming while you learn some about math! ;-) 04:16:57 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-68-45-152-123.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:18:46 can I do htdp with racket + emacs, or must I use Dr. Racket? 04:18:49 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:18:56 -!- bhrgunatha [~chatzilla@1-168-64-24.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:18:59 zacts, either way works. 04:20:27 what was that language design book that goes along with htdp? it's free online book iirc. 04:20:35 oh and 1st edition htdp or 2nd? 04:21:13 zacts, I'd go with 1st edition htdp, 2nd is still a work in progress. But I haven't kept up with the state of that. And the language design book is PLAI. 04:21:24 ah cool thanks, that was it 04:22:43 dpk [~r00t@213.138.101.38] has joined #scheme 04:22:44 Reisen [~Reisen@unaffiliated/reisen] has joined #scheme 04:27:00 -!- fadein_ is now known as Guest8789 04:27:00 -!- Fare is now known as Guest85287 04:27:01 -!- ffio is now known as Guest45788 04:27:49 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-153-115.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:28:13 taylanub [tub@p4FD921FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 04:28:31 There is a Coursera course based on HTDP that is running right now. 04:28:49 https://www.coursera.org/course/programdesign 04:28:59 Given by the author of The Art of The Metaobject Protocol. 04:30:11 cool, /me just created a student account 04:30:59 -!- Guest45788 [~fire@203.109.64.78] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 04:31:29 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 04:38:49 arubin: I just ordered a copy of The Reasoned Schemer btw 04:39:57 Nisstyre: I have a copy of all three. I started looking at The Little Schemer and decided that I should learn some of the basics first. 04:40:02 I got that book too, I got all three. 04:40:11 I think that it would be fine now. 04:40:22 the first book was a workout, kind of.. 04:40:38 it's like hannon 04:40:50 arubin: I got Reasoned because Oleg was one of the authors 04:41:05 and it seemed more interesting than the first two since I already know Scheme 04:41:35 yeah, the first starts out simply. hence the name I guess. 04:41:59 PLAI is quite good btw 04:42:06 especially the type inference portion 04:42:26 after that you should read Luca Cardelli's papers 04:42:29 The Reasoned Schemer is really almost unrelated to the Little and Seasoned Schemer. It's not about Scheme or Scheme-style programming at all. It's about a whole other kind of programming, and just happens to be written in Scheme. 04:42:43 carleastlund: yes, minkKanren 04:42:49 I'm not really interested in learning Scheme 04:42:53 I already know it more or less 04:42:58 *mini 04:49:25 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:58 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:00:05 -!- Guest85287 is now known as Fare 05:03:28 -!- estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09:49 ok, a quick ? on terminology. is a higher order function the function that actually takes functions as input and output, or is a hof the function that is the input or output? 05:10:43 The former. 05:10:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_function 05:11:43 I see thanks 05:15:40 -!- mrowe is now known as mrowe_away 05:31:51 esebelle [~esebelle@cpe-024-162-246-061.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:31:53 hi 05:32:01 why does this return false? (eq? 'a (car '('a))) 05:32:20 even though when I type (car '('a)) 05:32:21 I get 'a 05:32:37 esebelle, 'a means (quote a) 05:32:54 So you have (car (quote ((quote a)))) 05:33:04 You only want the outermost ' mark. 05:33:45 yes but 05:33:50 why aren't they equal if they look the same? 05:34:13 If you type 'a, what result do you get? If you type (car '('a)), what result do you get? 05:34:31 oh 05:34:50 I get a, vs 'a 05:34:53 ok, I see :) 05:34:56 :) 05:34:58 one is like double quoted 05:35:09 thanks :) 05:35:17 No problem! 05:35:59 esebelle: Yeah, a single quote is just short-hand for calling the quote function. 05:36:26 Almost. Quote isn't a function, but yes, it's a reference to the quote special form. (Doesn't quite behave like a function you could write.) 05:36:53 so 05:36:54 hmm 05:37:42 carleastlund: So it more-or-less acts like a "metafunction", as-in it maps to that structure while too not necessarily being one? 05:37:53 *esebelle* wonders if (eq? 'quote (car '(quote a))) 05:38:02 esebelle: Try it and see! 05:38:05 :P 05:38:12 yay it says #t 05:38:24 youlysses: not sure how to answer that one :) 05:39:20 if I write (define myquote (lambda (x) (quote x))) 05:39:30 (myquote anything) will just be 'x :P 05:39:32 esebelle: x gets evaluated 05:39:37 right? 05:39:39 let me try 05:39:55 yup 05:40:07 carleastlund: I'll read more into it... :^) 05:40:22 Wait, what did you get when you ran (myquote anything)? 05:40:23 esebelle: but yeah, it's 'x not x 05:40:35 ooh, but yeah, it does eval x 05:41:10 hmm 05:41:15 oh 05:41:26 I guess whenever you make a call its arguments are evaluated before the call is made 05:41:32 Yup! 05:41:35 esebelle: the scheme interpreter evaluates x, then it evaluates the body of the lambda which is 'x 05:42:09 actually (quote x) gets "evaluated" before x does 05:42:24 The (quote x) should never get evaluated at all in that example. 05:42:37 that's why I put "evaluate" in quotation marks 05:42:48 it gets expanded before anything 05:43:08 Let's not get into expansion. It's not meaningfully relevant here, and will just confuse the issue. 05:43:28 fair enough 05:44:06 rudybot: (define myquote (lambda (x) (quote x))) 05:44:07 carleastlund: your sandbox is ready 05:44:07 carleastlund: Done. 05:44:12 rudybot: (myquote anything) 05:44:12 carleastlund: error: anything: undefined; cannot reference an identifier before its definition in module: 'program 05:44:38 rudybot: init racket/load 05:44:38 carleastlund: your racket/load sandbox is ready 05:44:48 rudybot: (define myquote (lambda (x) (quote x))) 05:44:48 carleastlund: Done. 05:44:53 rudybot: (myquote anything) 05:44:53 carleastlund: error: anything: undefined; cannot reference undefined identifier 05:45:35 There we go, that's the behavior I'd expect. 05:46:29 rudybot: (define (my-other-function x) "do something else") 05:46:29 carleastlund: Done. 05:46:35 rudybot: (my-other-function anything) 05:46:35 carleastlund: error: anything: undefined; cannot reference undefined identifier 05:46:47 rudybot: (define-syntax-rule (myquote x) (quote x)) 05:46:47 Nisstyre: your sandbox is ready 05:46:48 Nisstyre: Done. 05:46:54 rudybot: (myquote anything) 05:46:54 Nisstyre: ; Value: 'anything 05:47:32 Nisstyre: You can certainly do that. That's not going to be very intelligible to people just figuring out how function application works, though. 05:47:42 yeah, good point 05:55:47 hey wait a sec 05:55:50 > (eq? ''a (car '('a))) 05:55:50 #f 05:55:51 > ''a 05:55:51 'a 05:55:51 > (car '('a)) 05:55:51 'a 05:56:11 esebelle: yeah? 05:56:17 they look the same! 05:56:22 why aren't they equal? :P 05:56:24 what does? 05:56:25 object identity? 05:56:28 ''a 05:56:29 rudybot: ''a 05:56:29 Nisstyre: ; Value: ''a 05:56:39 rudybot: (car '('a)) 05:56:39 esebelle: your sandbox is ready 05:56:39 esebelle: ; Value: ''a 05:56:51 rudybot: (eq? ''a (car '('a))) 05:56:51 esebelle: ; Value: #f 05:57:01 rudybot: (equal? ''a (car '('a))) 05:57:01 Nisstyre: ; Value: #t 05:57:22 what's the difference between eq? and equal? 05:57:24 *esebelle* looks it up 05:57:46 http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.210/schemetutorial/node11.html 05:58:30 esebelle: that's a very subtle question. I can try to answer, but for the most part, if you stick to equal? and ignore eq? you'll get much more sensible answers. 05:59:19 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:00:43 What is the proper way to accomplish this: ((car (list '+ '-)) 1 2), assuming that the operators are quoted (I know that it works fine if they are not) 06:01:00 For a simple intuitive answer, eq? can distinguish between "copies" of the same value. Whereas equal? only cares what value you have. So if you ask (eq? '(a) '(a)) you may get false. But if you define x to be '(a) and ask (eq? x x), you'll get true. 06:01:23 arubin: (case x ((+) +) ((-) -)) 06:01:24 ah 06:01:41 rudybot: (eq? 'a 'a) 06:01:41 esebelle: ; Value: #t 06:01:41 carleastlund: Really? 06:01:47 rudybot: (eq? ''a ''a) 06:01:48 esebelle: ; Value: #f 06:02:07 so quote symbols are primitives 06:02:11 arubin: or (cond ((equal? x '+) +) ((equal? x '-) -)) 06:02:15 quoted quoted things are not-primitive 06:02:23 something like that? 06:02:38 esebelle: Quoted symbols are "interned", an odd little word meaning only one copy is ever made of them. 06:02:47 carleastlund: I am basically looking for a way to "unquote" procedures. 06:02:58 Where as lists -- quoted things with parentheses are lists -- are not interned. 06:03:03 carleastlund: ok :) I was calling them primitive from Java 06:03:18 esebelle, that's probably a very different kind of thing 06:03:25 I'm also used to Haskell though which has no object identity 06:03:51 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:04:04 arubin: The best way is to write your own dispatch like I just did. There's another way. AVOID IT. AT ALL COSTS. DO NOT. DO IT. That's why I'm not going to speak its name and invoke its evel. 06:04:09 it's ok, I get the idea, eq? compares the memory address 06:04:15 evil* 06:04:39 esebelle: that's the real answer, yes, but I didn't want to get into the details of how memory addresses relate to the implementaiton of Scheme :) 06:05:00 I'll just leave this here http://blog.racket-lang.org/2011/10/on-eval-in-dynamic-languages-generally.html 06:05:00 http://tinyurl.com/62xs38x 06:05:01 argh so many typos, i haven't even had any liquor 06:05:03 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:05:14 YoungFrog [~youngfrog@geodiff-mac3.ulb.ac.be] has joined #scheme 06:05:29 Nisstyre: you're going to the special hell 06:06:01 carleastlund: it describes why it's bad though 06:06:11 you have spoken the name of the demon! 06:06:21 carleastlund: Is it's name eval? =P 06:06:26 nah, Matthew Flatt did 06:06:37 Ah, I just saw what Nisstyre pasted. 06:07:13 -!- jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.193.186.121] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 06:07:31 arubin, now we're all going to die! NoooooOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!111eleventy11!!! 06:07:37 heh 06:08:09 But seriously. Write your own symbol-to-function mapping, or don't use symbols. Eval is one letter away from evil for a reason. 06:08:44 arubin: you can use a hashmap of symbols to procedures if you want 06:08:53 carleastlund: I do not have enough experience with Scheme to know whether this would ever be a problem. I was just curious. 06:09:48 arubin: generally you don't see that sort of code in well written Scheme 06:09:49 arubin: *deep breath* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOwaitwhatdidyou say? Oh, right. Okay then! 06:10:17 it's certainly a legitimate thing to want to map symbols to procedures though 06:16:07 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:18:13 -!- preflex [~preflex@mnch-5d85d1ee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:20:40 carleastlund: you could write your own eval function! 06:20:45 then it would be ok 06:20:50 hmm 06:20:56 how would you do lambdas though.... 06:21:07 esebelle, that's essentially what I suggested. Just enough of eval for the needs of the program. 06:21:19 nah, but you could write your own full eval function 06:21:45 then you wont need to write specific ones because you'll have a general one 06:21:55 why can't the compiler just do that though? 06:21:58 esebelle: Absolutely you can! Not that I'd do it just to map '- to - or '+ to +, but you definitely can. It's a very good exercise. Several good Scheme texts include that exercise. 06:22:26 I suppose you'll need to pass around a hashmap to do manual variable binding 06:23:07 esebelle: the reason general eval is bad for most purposes is rather involved. Basically, evaluation is context sensitive. For instance, inside (lambda (x) (+ x 5)), x means something different than elsewhere, because x is bound. But the eval that you want to map '+ to + and '- to - isn't context sensitive. So the solution is a mismatch to the problem. 06:23:26 esebelle, I'm impressed, you got there before me and explained it more simply! 06:24:04 Anyway, I encourage you to give it a shot and write your own evaluator if you like, it's a good way to figure out how Scheme-like languages work! 06:24:13 :) 06:24:15 francis_wolke [62cf9ba1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.207.155.161] has joined #scheme 06:24:28 *esebelle* should sleep right now though 06:24:34 gnight :) 06:24:36 Sleep well! 06:24:38 -!- esebelle [~esebelle@cpe-024-162-246-061.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29:23 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29:36 -!- arubin [~arubin@99-114-192-172.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 06:37:10 -!- gnomon [~gnomon@CPE000e582ae076-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:41:16 -!- crypto_ is now known as z0d 06:41:23 -!- z0d 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I found many examples of "generators" implemented with call/cc on the net, and they are using set! to alter the stored continuation; is it possible to do the same without set!? 11:55:53 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 11:57:27 boycottgoogle [~user@stgt-5f71b59f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 11:59:23 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 12:02:31 xecycle: I don't think so, I think, technically, that anything that does it uses some form of set!. 12:02:34 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 12:03:32 Triclops256: Can you convince me with more arguments? 12:04:04 xecycle: set! is the basic object modification operator 12:04:27 Triclops256: So why is modification absolutely needed here? 12:04:41 What's the typical generator implementation with call/cc again ? 12:04:42 xecycle: A continuation stores state data, basically 12:04:55 xecycle: You can technically do it fully functionally 12:05:02 xecycle: And pass it as paraemeters 12:05:10 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 12:06:04 taylanub: Well, an example is on the wiki call/cc page. 12:06:39 You mean Wikipedia (I usually shorten it to "wikip" to distinguish from other wikis.) 12:06:47 Aye. 12:06:57 (I forgot the question mark there ..) 12:07:18 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 12:08:02 Triclops256: So have you got any examples that are fully functional? 12:08:56 xecycle: Not with me, I'm at work and the only language I get to use here is Java :( 12:09:11 Triclops256: Thanks anyway. 12:09:35 xecycle: No problem 12:10:57 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:11:47 -!- jrslepak_ is now known as jrslepak 12:11:50 Jesus, the common-lispers there in #lisp are touchy. 12:13:40 xecycle: I'll try to implement one now but don't wait for the result. :P 12:13:57 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:14:17 taylanub: Glad to hear that :) I am running out my brain on this. 12:14:37 xecycle: Why not use set! ? 12:14:47 Triclops256: Just curious. 12:14:50 xecycle: Ah 12:14:52 well 12:15:15 I mean, technically, you could do something like 12:16:05 ASau [~user@p5797EC29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 12:16:25 (I'm guessing there's some formal way to translate any set!-using code to code that doesn't use set!, perhaps in multiple ways, probably at least one of them utilizing monads. :P) 12:17:20 I would think you're correct 12:17:37 xecycle: I see what you mean, this is rather difficult, but not impossible 12:17:43 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 12:17:54 It's like jumping up and down through call stack levels 12:18:29 Triclops256: Okay I got it. So it is basically what Haskell guys did, eh? I haven't taught myself Haskell yet. 12:19:05 xecycle: Not too dissimilar, yes. 12:19:17 xecycle: It's basically the state monad, if that rings any bells for you 12:19:38 But, you know, years before haskell. 12:20:42 what, dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/call-with-current-continuation 12:22:14 BW^- [~Miranda@5-15-170-105.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #scheme 12:23:05 Well. 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(c . d))) 21:30:10 (c . d) 21:31:17 Yes. 21:31:46 It appears that there is an error in The Scheme Programming Language. 21:32:06 http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/start.html#./start:h8 21:32:17 The tree-copy example does not work correctly. 21:32:45 > (tree-copy '((a . b) . (c . d))) 21:32:46 ((a . b) c . d) 21:33:49 rudybot: eval (cdr '((a . b) . (c . d))) 21:33:50 Riastradh: your sandbox is ready 21:33:50 Riastradh: ; Value: '(c . d) 21:33:53 rudybot: eval (cdr '((a . b) c . d)) 21:33:54 Riastradh: ; Value: '(c . d) 21:34:22 rudybot: eval (equal? '((a . b) . (c . d)) '((a . b) c . d)) 21:34:23 Riastradh: ; Value: #t 21:34:44 Hmm. 21:36:00 -!- ASau [~user@p5797FE22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:19 I guess that explains this first line of trace output: 21:37:20 > (tree-copy '((a . b) . (c . d))) 21:37:22 |(tree-copy ((a . b) c . d)) 21:37:36 Now I just need to wrap my head around the dot pairs. 21:40:22 (x y . z) is shorthand for (x . (y . z)). 21:40:28 (x) is shorthand for (x . ()). 21:41:56 So ((a . b) . (c . d)) is a pair where each value is a pair, but it is not a list? 21:42:26 It is a list. 21:42:31 A list is either () or a pair. 21:42:50 It is a dotted-list, since its last pair contains an atom in its cdr. 21:43:40 Usually in Scheme one means `proper list' by unqualified `list'; `dotted list' includes anything that is not a proper list or a circular list. The object you are looking at is not a proper list. 21:43:41 Let's consider a proper list: ((a . b) . (c . (d . ()))) Its second element is c, and its third and last element is d. 21:44:20 (pjb helpfully tries to confuse people by talking about Common Lisp and then transliterating to Scheme.) 21:44:26 heh 21:44:50 And now you'd want to let us believe that lists are different in scheme than in lisp? 21:45:13 rudybot: (list? '(a . b)) 21:45:13 arubin: your sandbox is ready 21:45:13 arubin: ; Value: #f 21:45:17 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 21:45:33 The predicate LIST? returns true for proper lists. 21:45:36 The term `atom' is not used. 21:46:14 So, yes, if you ever paid attention, pjb, you would have noticed this by now. 21:47:31 -!- waxysubs [hope0@world.peace.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:48:09 No, the concepts are not different, but the conventions and nomenclature that is used to communicate about them is different, and it is interminably confusing for you to refuse to pay attention to the conventions and nomenclature of the language you're trying to talk about. 21:48:55 -!- deepspawn [~deepspawn@181.48.97.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:28 My only hypothesis is that you're (perhaps subconsciously) trying to give people a sense of confusion when they're working in Scheme but not when they're working in Common Lisp, arising from some kind of political agenda. 21:50:04 arubin, anyway, ((a . b) . (c . d)) is not a proper list, meaning, e.g., LENGTH and MAP won't work on it, but it is indeed made of a tree of pairs. 21:50:16 Okay. Thank you. 21:50:51 (Sorry for the diversion -- pjb has been at this for some eight years or so and every once in a while it gets me frustrated.) 21:55:17 -!- langmart` [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:58:25 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:58:34 -!- cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:00:07 -!- Guest17141 [~user@c-174-50-75-226.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:00:57 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 22:14:32 I still think that artifically derefining the terminology doesn't change the concepts and the language. 22:14:41 s/dere/rede/ 22:15:32 Riastradh: and I learned scheme with "The Little Lisper", notice how it was named "Lisper", not "Schemer", that came later, and it's full of atoms. 22:19:28 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:22:26 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-103.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:24:55 And "The Little Schemer" 4th edition is full of atom and atom? and lat (list of atoms) all over too. 22:25:58 -!- pt [~pt@84.114.230.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:26:59 pt [~pt@84.114.230.154] has joined #scheme 22:27:24 waxysubs [hope8@world.peace.net] has joined #scheme 22:27:29 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 22:29:01 Is that your standard for what real Scheme programs look like? 22:31:34 -!- pt [~pt@84.114.230.154] has quit [Client Quit] 22:35:10 -!- pygospa [~Pygosceli@kiel-5f7683f6.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:35:17 TheRealPygo [~Pygosceli@kiel-4d067e3b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 22:35:21 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:36:50 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 22:39:42 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:43:00 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxsiyjrpxkxgnpsu] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 22:43:38 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #scheme 22:43:42 hi 22:50:16 hi, :) 22:54:47 Is it at all possible for a Scheme procedure to be impure without using mutation ? 22:55:22 Hrm, well, I/O would do too. 22:55:57 I'm asking due to the earlier question of whether one could implement a generator without using set!. 22:55:57 taylanub: or call `call/cc` 22:56:12 asumu: I don't think that helps. 22:56:14 (re: impurity) 22:56:53 My point was that using `call/cc` is impure. 22:57:20 Also, a generator API like what lua has is inherently stateful. 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