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06:18:46 peterhil [~peterhil@85-76-18-12-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #scheme 06:31:31 -!- estevocastro [~estevocas@26.Red-83-59-3.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33:04 brianmwaters [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has joined #scheme 06:33:49 hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has joined #scheme 06:33:49 -!- hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has quit [Changing host] 06:33:49 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:34:42 So in Dyvbig's TSPL4 there's a strange let syntax here: http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/further.html#defn:product-call/cc that I don't understand 06:35:00 can't seem to find reference to it where he talks about let 06:35:40 the f is unpaired and ouside parens; what does it mean? 06:42:35 -!- permagreen [~donovan@204.195.27.175] has left #scheme 06:42:38 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 06:44:58 -!- NihilistDandy [~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: NihilistDandy] 06:46:23 brianmwaters, what f..? 06:46:27 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 06:46:37 are you asking about (let ([x (call/cc (lambda (k) k))]) 06:46:37 (x (lambda (ignore) "hi"))) ? 06:46:47 no 06:47:01 i fugured that one out :) 06:47:09 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:47:11 the example above that has an unusual use of let 06:47:35 oh the (let f ...) 06:47:38 -!- deepspawn [~deepspawn@186.180.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:47:41 that is called a 'let loop', it binds f to a lambda 06:47:58 its like doing (let ([f (lambda () (cond ...))) 06:48:15 except you can repeatedly call f with the number of let-bound arguments, in this case 1 due to the 'ls' 06:48:26 thats the recursive call to f you see in the cond clause 06:49:09 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 06:49:55 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 06:50:31 okay thanks. i found some more information with that 06:50:38 looks like it's also called a named let 06:51:06 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:51:12 yea 06:51:33 usually people write (let loop ...) instead of (let f ...) 06:51:53 gotcha 06:52:38 thanks 06:55:16 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-68-45-152-123.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:05:01 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:12:49 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 07:38:20 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@85-76-18-12-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:24 francis_wolke [62cf9ba1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.207.155.161] has joined #scheme 07:48:23 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD2D7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 07:49:01 -!- cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:56:53 alexei_ 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How would that work? 14:50:45 it's possible, but not always desirable 14:53:29 not quite sure what sort of answer you're expecting 14:54:02 have you done _any_ functional programming before? 14:54:33 rudybot: (+ 1 2 3) 14:54:34 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 14:54:34 *offby1: ; Value: 6 14:54:44 How could that possibly have worked?! I didn't set any variables 14:56:12 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:56:37 peterhil` [~peterhil@cs181118168.pp.htv.fi] has joined #scheme 14:57:25 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:27 ijp: lambda calculus...i think that counts as functional 14:57:46 rudybot? instead of scheme bot? really? :) 14:57:53 -!- tenq [~hatFolk@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:58 'cuz he's rude 14:58:07 oh lol...sorry i thought it was called rubybot 14:58:09 *rudybot* farts 14:58:34 *ijp* diagnoses a robofibre deficiency 14:59:18 -!- peterhil- [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:00:24 theseb: the basic idea is that you create new values instead of overwriting old ones. 15:00:25 peterhil- [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #scheme 15:01:22 tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has joined #scheme 15:01:31 ijp: makes sense...but would you agree that seems to imply functional programs will be memory hogs compared to nonfunctional? 15:01:42 that's why we have a garbage collector 15:02:14 oh....that's sneaky 15:02:19 forgot about that...i like it 15:02:22 ok you win 15:02:23 even ignoring that, there are various compiler optimisations you can do to reduce the creation of new structures 15:03:20 theseb: and no mutation means no iteration, but we have recursion for that 15:03:22 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@cs181118168.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:03:23 In my experience, schemers are more likely to write _mostly_-functional programs, as opposed to _purely_ functional ones. 15:03:27 At least that's what I do 15:03:40 I mutate a variable here and there when it seems much simpler than not. 15:03:41 well, at the end of the day, programs do IO, and IO is nonfunctional 15:03:45 But most of the time I can easily avoid it. 15:03:50 adiii [~adityavit@c-68-45-152-123.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:05:12 and even programs that do no IO can have the side effect of making your CPU very hot 15:06:51 -!- deepspawn [~deepspawn@181.48.97.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:47 or of tearing your hair out 15:08:18 s,tearing,making you tear, 15:08:26 ijp: the REPL itself is nonfunctional since need command to "print" 15:08:40 that would be the O in IO 15:09:02 i just found a functional joke....."To iterate is human, to recurse divine" 15:10:43 ijp: basically it seems the answer to any "how do it functionally?" is "do recursion" 15:10:53 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD2D7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:12:19 offby1's example above didn't use recursion and is functional 15:12:29 doesn't 15:12:33 gah :-) 15:13:16 *offby1* shakes dergutemoritz's shoulders 15:13:21 pull yourself together, man 15:13:36 yeah I don't know what's wrong with me today!! 15:14:05 offby1: maybe we should slap him on the face a couple of times, just to be certain 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