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joast cross tessier Khisanth kbtr stamourv` dan64 cibs epsylon eli seantallen ski Reisen mmc finnrobi wrl m4burns nitefli ineiros evhan 15:50:01 -!- names: twem2 duncanm 15:50:09 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:15 cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.36.221] has joined #scheme 15:51:39 carleastlund: my meta-question is that i wonder if having an architecture that is lisp all the way down would be better/useful in some way 15:53:54 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 15:55:17 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 15:56:12 jeremyheiler [~jeremyhei@cpe-72-230-245-1.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 15:59:01 -!- pnkfelix [~user@64.213.97.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 15:59:21 -!- skeuomorf [~skeuomorf@197.32.237.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01:22 pnkfelix [~user@64.213.97.194] has joined #scheme 16:02:20 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 16:05:55 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #scheme 16:07:48 davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has joined #scheme 16:07:59 -!- b4284 [~b4284@116.59.93.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:00 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 16:11:18 -!- leppie [~lolcow@105-236-183-130.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:12:12 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-178.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 16:17:08 leppie [~lolcow@105-236-183-130.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 16:19:49 -!- kuribas [~user@d54C430B0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:20:13 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:21:11 -!- Rubix_ [~Rubix@38.111.0.121] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:24:06 it isn't clear to me what the difference is between lisp and lambda calculus....i think lambda calculus is the core of lisp? 16:25:35 The lambda calculus is the core of lisp and of scheme and of ML and of Haskell it's the basis of a lot of programming, but there are many ways of extending it. 16:26:24 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 16:26:47 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 16:27:47 carleastlund: so lambda calculus is the elegant mathematical jewel and lisp/scheme/Haskell/ML are the PRACTICAL extensions? 16:28:09 Yes, that's it in a nutshell. 16:28:49 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:28:59 You wouldn't want to program in the lambda calculus itself, you wouldn't have numbers or strings or lists, for instance. 16:30:19 carleastlund: people like Paul Graham praise McCarthy's "discovery" of lisp like it was a new thing....our convo seems to suggest McCarthy "only" tweaked lambda calculus....that doesn't sound that novel anymore!? 16:31:08 -!- alexei___ [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:31:44 theseb: I don't think anyone had turned the lambda calculus into a programming language before McCarthy, it was only a mathematical model on paper. What McCarthy did was definitely very novel. 16:32:29 I don't know if the way I phrased it is technically 100% accurate or not, but McCarthy was definitely not just "tweaking" something that existed before. 16:32:41 carleastlund: yes but even McCarthy never intended Lisp to be a real language..he was actually surprised when Steve Russel implemented an eval in assembly for an IBM computer 16:33:02 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:40 carleastlund: so pre-Steve, McCarthy was thinking of Lisp as another theoretical model only.....so my question still stands...not sure what his intentions were since we already had Church's lambda calculus 16:34:00 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:32 Lisp is still a lot more than just the lambda calculus. For instance, you can write a Lisp interpreter in Lisp. Lambda calculus doesn't have a canonical self-represented syntax. 16:35:09 hmm good point 16:35:43 so Lisp is "like" lambda calculus but not really exactly the same....hmmm 16:47:54 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:48:18 jrapdx [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 16:50:41 jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 16:50:44 -!- jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:50:45 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 16:53:48 -!- InvalidCo [~invalidco@dsl-lhtbrasgw2-54fba4-125.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:30 InvalidCo [~invalidco@dsl-lhtbrasgw2-54fba4-125.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 17:01:29 tenq [~hatFolk@198.24.31.70] has joined #scheme 17:01:55 stepnem [~stepnem@internet2.cznet.cz] has joined #scheme 17:08:58 I recall reading a history of Scheme (at least one of the authors of this history was Steele, so it seems pretty authoritative) talking about McCarthy's Lisp being based on the theory of recursive functions rather than the lambda calculus. 17:09:43 And indeed, McCarthy's paper introducing it is entitled, "Recursive Functions of Symbolic Expressions and Their Computation by Machine, Part I" 17:10:58 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.161] has joined #scheme 17:12:34 I believe that was published after it had been actually implemented, though. 17:14:01 ijp [~user@host81-155-24-188.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 17:14:59 alexei___ [~amgarchin@p4FD60F09.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:18:49 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:52 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF96B51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:36 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:19:53 ASau [~user@p4FF96B51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has 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