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I think you can also overcome most weak-typing problems by always using === and such. Might want to look into JSLint. 07:30:35 Other than that, Perl syntax is based on sh, sed, and awk, in addition to C, whereas JS is mostly plain usual C syntax. JS also has this crazy object-system, which I don't think is similar to Perl 5 in any way at all. 07:31:13 So all in all, while I'm no expert on either language, I don't think one could say one to be a shitty version of the other. :P 07:33:19 fgudin [fgudin@odin.sdf-eu.org] has joined #scheme 07:33:54 mikecsh [~mikecsh@88-105-59-126.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #scheme 07:40:37 -!- adiii [~adityavit@204.195.151.211] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:47:28 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 07:51:26 -!- StephenS [~StephenS@premiumus.xshellz.com] has quit [Changing host] 07:51:26 StephenS [~StephenS@xshellz/founder/StephenS] has joined #scheme 07:53:30 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 08:02:16 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:02:36 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 08:03:22 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:04:09 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:08:17 -!- carleastlund [~carleastl@209-6-40-238.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 08:12:42 taylanub: yes, perl 5 does have lexically scoped first class functions, afaik 08:15:06 Ah OK. I seemed to remember reading that Perl 6 will add that; might've been mistaken. 08:21:53 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #scheme 08:23:20 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:30 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #scheme 08:24:09 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 08:33:36 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 08:34:23 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:34:58 przl [~przlrkt@p54BD2FE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 08:35:05 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 08:37:21 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 08:37:52 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-83.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58:11 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:58:22 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@129.187.157.20] has joined #scheme 09:01:06 Perl 6 is a strange, strange language. 09:01:27 it's like they took Perl 5, which is already orbiting around Earth, and sent it into outer space. 09:04:21 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:06:11 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 09:09:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD2FE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:11:47 simon: wait till you see http://perl8.org/ 09:14:57 add^_ [~user@m5-241-140-202.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 09:15:26 just skipping 7 altogether then? 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13:43:13 I didn't know Scala was similar to Perl in any way ? (Such that you'd say "it's the better Perl".) 13:43:26 (Or what else is that web-page supposed to say ?) 13:43:37 -!- brianloveswords [~brianlove@li124-154.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:44:09 "Code sizes are typically reduced by a factor of two to three when compared to an equivalent Java application." 13:44:17 >when compared to an equivalent Java application 13:44:26 yeah that's a pretty low bar 13:44:27 brianloveswords [~brianlove@li124-154.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 13:44:32 :P 13:44:42 i'd be surprised if brainfuck was much more verbose 13:45:28 taylanub: scala is seen as a big bag o'features. In much the same vain as C++ or perl 6 13:45:50 vein 13:46:18 Freudian slip ? :P 13:48:12 nope, just a plain old fashioned cockup 13:53:12 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-178-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:54:49 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 13:59:39 jeremyheiler [~jeremyhei@cpe-72-230-245-1.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 14:17:57 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 14:21:39 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 14:21:41 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BD2FE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:23:36 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 14:25:17 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@cable54-3-142.stoweaccess.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:25:37 acarrico [~acarrico@cable54-3-142.stoweaccess.com] has joined #scheme 14:27:23 BossKonaSegwaY1 [~Michael@72.49.0.102] has joined #scheme 14:27:59 annodomini_ 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joined #scheme 20:45:40 hi 20:46:48 Hidy ho 20:48:12 is there an embeddable Scheme like there is ECL for Common Lisp? 20:48:20 Many. :) 20:48:28 yeah there are a couple, some more mature than others 20:48:40 it may come down to what license you're okay with 20:48:43 there's a scheme for all occasions, some of them are even usable 20:48:44 but any of them can be statically linked into an android application? 20:49:05 i know chibi-scheme has some iOS code in it 20:49:12 wrl: I need a permissive license, because I'm the author, but not the copyright owner of the thing I want to do in question 20:49:18 http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations 20:49:18 http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx 20:49:22 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:49:33 if you don't actually need to run scheme code on the device you may be better off using one of the compile-to-C implementations 20:49:48 The first point in thta article just so happens to be embedding. 20:49:51 that* 20:49:53 or check and see if you could cross-compile kawa JVM code to DEX 20:50:05 wrl: that would be nice. I just wanted something to script a game, actually 20:50:19 yeah that's reasonable 20:50:24 there are some state transitions that would be really good to do in some kind of scripting language 20:50:33 just about all of the embeddable schemes i've seen are designed with C in mind 20:50:42 so that seems like it would be hairy on android... 20:50:45 i'd look at kawa first 20:51:02 since Scheme (and Common Lisp, too) are so damn extensible, I'm thinking about using either of them. But Scheme is smaller, so I think it may be more easily embeddable 20:51:20 kawa might be your joint dude 20:51:23 https://github.com/abarbu/android-kawa 20:51:29 `Examples of Android applications written in Kawa scheme` 20:51:31 and ot 20:51:33 sorry 20:51:36 and it's MIT licensed 20:51:43 great! 20:51:44 thanks 20:51:54 i'm curious to hear how that works for you actually 20:51:56 hang around and let us know :) 20:52:05 sure :) 20:53:03 Denommus: http://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/Building-for-Android.html also 20:55:49 thanks 20:57:34 wrl: so Kawa exports to the JVM? 20:58:19 Denommus: i haven't used it. according to wikipedia, it compiles to class files 20:58:34 well, my application is written in C++. So I think I'd need a Scheme that could compile to C or C++. But I'll check the others out. I'll let you know my progress :) 20:58:43 oh wow, okay 20:58:55 yeah you should check the link that taylanub provided 20:59:12 though i would see if you can make use of one of the scheme->C compilers like chicken 20:59:15 (anyway, Kawa looks interesting because I wanted to use Clojure in *another* project, and if Kawa doesn't have the problems I'm facing with Clojure, it may be just the implementation I need) 20:59:27 it may serve you better than shipping a scheme runtime with your game 21:02:09 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60722.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:02:24 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60722.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:02:36 acedia [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has joined #scheme 21:16:36 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 21:18:23 -!- acedia [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Quit: At least two-thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity: idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols.] 21:22:15 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-244.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:27 Denommus: kawa works very well with android, no problems at startup like clojure 21:26:01 Denommus: simple sample project using kawa for android: https://github.com/ecraven/SchemeAndroidOGL 21:26:01 ecraven: what about integration with Java activities (this is a lesser problem if the startup is small, but still a doubt :]) 21:26:27 Denommus: should work fine, you can implement classes (well, have to for it to work with android) and whatnot 21:27:02 i haven't put anything larger on github, but i've written some medium-sized apps using kawa, almost everything works fine.. and macros *do* make android programming a bit more bearable 21:30:55 ecraven: Clojure has a good support for writting your views as a DSL in your code. Does Kawa for android has this, or do I have to create my own macros? (Not that this should be too difficult, of course) 21:31:33 BW^- [~Miranda@5-15-169-118.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #scheme 21:31:46 how do you call a program that exposes a vulnerability or bug? 21:32:36 An exploit ? 21:34:11 BW^-: does the program itself have the exploit? 21:34:21 or does the program assist you in locating one in a different program? 21:34:40 wrl: it's the proof of concept program, showing how to trig it 21:34:50 wrl: it's like the Blazonka(); 21:35:01 `Proof of concept', then? 21:36:14 "Proof of concept implementation of the/an exploit" would be the most accurate I guess. :P Don't know if there's a concise term for this. 21:37:02 if it's the actual code that, when run, exploits the security hole, you'd call it an `exploit` 21:39:15 you call it a future regression test 21:41:05 -!- TheRealPygo is now known as pygospa 21:44:00 aha 21:44:04 mhm 21:44:19 ijp: future regression test sounds a bit abstract? 21:44:35 wrl: exploit doesn't fit here because it's not a security hole but just a memory leak bug 21:45:16 BW^-: `proof of concept` then 21:45:20 -!- certainty [~david@www1.d-coded.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:46:07 I'd still call it an exploit for lack of a better term. You can also regard any bug as being a security hole. :P 21:47:30 taylanub: exploit implies shellcode though 21:47:45 It does ? 21:48:26 certainty [~david@www1.d-coded.de] has joined #scheme 21:48:28 Oh, I thought the lack of a space was a typo. Didn't know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellcode 21:53:48 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:56 informally I'd call that a reproduction script 21:56:25 as in, it reproduces the bug 21:57:04 like the enumeration of the steps to trigger a bug is often called 'reproduction description' or 'steps to reproduce' 22:01:39 aranhoid: that's nice, "Reproduction script". 22:02:03 hm aha. thanks for your thoughts guys. 22:02:34 BW^- glad you liked it! :) 22:15:45 zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 22:17:26 why is R7RS-small labeled small? is there supposed to be a big version? 22:18:51 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 22:19:57 -!- jeremyheiler [~jeremyhei@cpe-72-230-245-1.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:54 xuser: an extension, rather 22:20:56 but yes 22:21:05 r7rs-small defines a 'core' language 22:21:16 and r7rs-large will build on top of that 22:22:50 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:23:40 aranhoide: ah, thanks, are there public drafts for r7rs-large yet? 22:24:31 xuser: nope, it's only starting to get discussed in earnest now 22:24:59 r7rs-small was approved (pending ironing some last kinks) at the end of May 22:25:14 jeremyheiler [~jeremyhei@cpe-72-230-245-1.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:25:50 (IIUC) 22:26:20 -!- rins [~aaron@38.88.168.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:27:57 k 22:30:29 xuser: a sneak peek into a proposed repository format: http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/Snow 22:31:49 -!- jeremyheiler [~jeremyhei@cpe-72-230-245-1.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:32:12 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:36:37 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:53:06 Denommus: i've written an sxml->xml converter, so i can use sxml views. i've also tried a DSL, but that means you lose all of the goodness the xml styles bring with them 23:00:47 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 23:17:06 -!- zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:18:27 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:51 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@37-144-4-86.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:09 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60722.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:28:17 alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD60722.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:53:03 -!- fdr [~rafaelfdr@ps53163.dreamhost.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:11 -!- mmc2 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]