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How do you merge two association lists? Is there a better way than this http://pastebin.com/ikc9R7qG I am not so fluent in SRFIs. 12:35:59 *Hi! 12:37:26 -!- frankel [~frankel@host86-160-182-194.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:49 davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has joined #scheme 12:46:37 Wow, now that I think of it, efficient alist merging is quite hard. Maybe even impossible to do it any more efficiently than the obvious implementation. 12:46:49 amgarching, I'd do it this way personally: http://pastebin.com/JGXqhr1p 12:47:20 It's the straightforward functional way. If efficiency is your goal, I wouldn't use alists to start with, so generally the most straightforward way is good enough as long as you're still using them. 12:47:55 I'd just always insert a pair at the beginning, and run a "garbage collector" every n insertions. 12:49:25 There's a lot of ways to optimize, but they make the code trickier and ultimately won't get past the fact that you're using alists that require inefficient traversal. 12:59:37 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 13:00:34 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:01:18 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@cable54-3-142.stoweaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:01:43 tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:01:50 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:45 acarrico [~acarrico@cable54-3-142.stoweaccess.com] has joined #scheme 13:06:08 tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:07:12 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:07:36 tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:10:06 -!- Razz_ [~tim@kompiler.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:10:07 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined #scheme 13:10:07 -!- inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:10:12 Razz [~tim@kompiler.org] has joined #scheme 13:11:58 -!- eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12:26 inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has joined #scheme 13:14:49 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64E05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:15:47 eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has joined #scheme 13:20:53 -!- agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22:49 amgarching: what does assoc-set! do? Does it do a linear search? 13:24:23 thank you, carleastlund. I was also unsure about re-using the pairs. Like in you base case (if (null? settings) defaults ...) I assume If the caller decides to modify the result, defaults will change. 13:25:16 hkBst: http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Adding-or-Setting-Alist-Entries.html#Adding-or-Setting-Alist-Entries 13:25:17 http://tinyurl.com/mkt4c27 13:25:20 amgarching, some things will change based on assumptions about mutability, but forcing a complete reallocation on every call is pretty strict. I'd make it the caller's job to copy things if they need to. 13:25:31 is assoc-set! guile-specific? 13:26:11 Personally I use immutable data structure wherever possible, and use mutability in limited local ways when I need it. So I don't copy much. 13:26:35 I try to make sure that the caller owns the result. Has bitten me with NumPy arrays several times. 13:27:23 adu_ [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-28.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:28:06 Okay, but it does mean the caller pays for copying the whole thing even if they're just modifying 1 or 2 things at the front. 13:28:55 this staff is handling human input. It should not be large anyway. 13:29:28 Fair enough. Though you could always come over to Racket and use true immutable lists where you don't have to worry about this kind of problem. ;-) 13:31:25 I only warry about getting used to "bad habits" here, actually 13:32:16 amgarching: (define (assoc-set! alist key value) (let ((pair (assoc key alist))) (if pair (set-cdr! pair value) (cons (cons key value) alist)))) 13:32:17 Bad habits are contextual. Copying too much is a bad habit in many contexts; not copying enough is bad in others. 13:32:27 There's nothing wrong with mutation where it makes sense. This is Scheme, not Haskell 13:32:30 (That's portable alist-set! using SRFI-1.) 13:33:22 I absolutely agree, LeoNerd, I was only suggesting immutable things given the "bitten ... several times" amgarching mentioned in reference to mutable containers with shared ownership. 13:37:50 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 13:38:15 also true. Mutation of shared structures to be precise. 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I will not stay in this place. Come, I tell thee. Surely some terrible thing will befall. Manasseh, Issachar, Ozias, put out the torches. I will not look at things, I will not suffer things to look at me. Put out the torches! Hide the moon! 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If someone is bored, or has to much time, or any other reason, would be greatful for pointing out the things which are done in a bad way in this code (this is a solution to 8 puzzle, everything before (load...) is the file "board.scm") pastebin.com/QFbsyMn2 23:35:05 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:56 pumpkin360, just on first read, you have several functions at the top all doing the same iteration over n elements, I'd abstract that out. 23:36:32 like a simple for loop ? 23:37:24 I'd write one "iterate" function, then then, for instance, scan-row would be: (define (scan-row a) (iterate (lambda (b) (vector-set! a b (read))))). 23:37:31 s/then then/then/ 23:39:16 will do that in the future. 23:39:29 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 23:39:29 (planning to rewrite it) 23:43:35 Also, just checked, You were the person who I first talked to on this channel :). You adviced to read HtDP instead of SICP for the beginning. Not sure if I did the right thing, SICP misses lots of features of the language and, as You warned, is not exactlly easy all the time, but HtDP kind of made me sleepy and SICP is awesome, but that's just my experience. 23:44:32 (ended up reading HtDP after first chapter and am far after the middle of SICP) 23:46:16 thanks for help. 23:46:42 s/talked to/talked with/ 23:49:50 -!- cosmez [~cosmez@200.92.100.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:21 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:36 rudybot: (display 'whatever) 23:52:36 pumpkin360: your sandbox is ready 23:52:36 pumpkin360: ; stdout: "whatever" 23:54:05 pumpkin360: HtDP certainly isn't dense, if you've gotten far in SICP, if HtDP is going to help you at all it'll be by blazing through the early chapters and getting on to the trickier bits. So I'm not surprised if the opening is a bit dull. I certainly won't be offended if you don't take me up on going through more of it, as long as SICP is keeping you interested. :)