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[~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 07:38:55 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 07:46:47 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 08:03:06 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 08:05:30 simon [simon@relay.pronoia.dk] has joined #scheme 08:06:15 pnkfelix [~user@mozilla.vlan502.asr1.cdg2.gblx.net] has joined #scheme 08:06:31 how am I supposed to interpret: (map + '(1 2 3))? i.e., a binary operator passed to map, which supposedly expects a unary operator. my REPL gives (1 2 3) back. I assume currying doesn't happen, so why does it give me anything back? 08:06:58 + isn't a binary operator 08:07:00 (+ 1) works fine 08:07:09 ohh! 08:07:23 I forgot it isn't! :) 08:07:34 cool, thanks. it makes sense now. 08:07:34 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:12:02 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 08:14:26 alexei_ [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #scheme 08:17:11 Gnash_Breeches [~kvirc@c-75-65-166-249.hsd1.la.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:18:03 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:24 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:18:42 hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has joined #scheme 08:18:43 -!- hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has quit [Changing host] 08:18:43 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 08:26:12 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has 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Have you tried it with all of them? 14:37:58 -!- Gnash_Breeches [~kvirc@c-75-65-166-249.hsd1.la.comcast.net] has left #scheme 14:38:13 I doubt it takes -0.5+3i arguments. 14:38:19 so... it takes 5+2i number of arguments? how about _0+5? 14:38:53 Of course we could start the "is +nan.0 a number?" debate. 14:39:57 what does +nan.0 mean? 14:41:31 _0+5 is the surreal number that is 5 plus the number of all natural numbers, so it's a very specific infinity. 14:43:03 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 14:43:51 +nan.0 means you did sump'n baaaad, young man. 14:44:11 And we're gonna think about revoking your floating-point licence. 14:44:47 rudybot: (/ 0) 14:44:47 offby1: your r5rs sandbox is ready 14:44:48 offby1: error: /: division by zero 14:44:54 rudybot: init racket 14:44:55 offby1: your sandbox is ready 14:44:57 rudybot: (/ 0) 14:44:57 offby1: error: /: division by zero 14:44:59 *offby1* rubs chin 14:45:04 rudybot: (/ 0.) 14:45:04 Riastradh: your sandbox is ready 14:45:04 Riastradh: ; Value: +inf.0 14:45:08 rudybot: (/ 0. 0.) 14:45:08 Riastradh: ; Value: +nan.0 14:45:18 *offby1* scratches head 14:45:24 rudybot: (/ -1. 0.) 14:45:24 Riastradh: ; Value: -inf.0 14:45:37 rudybot: (atan -1. 0.) 14:45:38 Riastradh: ; Value: -1.5707963267948966 14:45:42 rudybot: (atan -1. -0.) 14:45:43 Riastradh: ; Value: -1.5707963267948966 14:45:46 er 14:45:50 rudybot: (atan 0. -1.) 14:45:51 Riastradh: ; Value: 3.141592653589793 14:45:53 rudybot: (atan -0. -1.) 14:45:54 Riastradh: ; Value: -3.141592653589793 14:50:01 -!- inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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In esh, a typed value is a 64-bit thing with a 32-bit representation of its C type and a 32-bit value (this was for 32-bit Solaris machines) 20:27:22 What I don't understand is how you can pack a C type into 32 bits, other than by arbitrarily numbering them and hoping no actual program has more than 65535 distinct types. 20:27:55 I mean, C has a denumerable infinity of types, no? 20:31:16 -!- ManAmongHippos [~ManAmongH@164.111.213.168] has quit [Quit: ManAmongHippos] 20:35:39 The (C) standard has environmental limits that I think would make that a finite, if very big, number. (And 2^32 is quite a lot more than 65535.) 20:36:43 what does `representation of its C type` mean in this context? 20:36:56 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:00 if you just assign one number per type, then yeah, 2^32 is a lot of types 20:37:11 Yes, sorry for the 16/32 bit confusion. 20:37:35 Esh programs can deal with any C type, supposedly (and of course esh types are themselves C types, since esh is written in C) 20:37:39 -!- jrapdx0 [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:37:41 65536 is also a lot of types tbh 20:38:05 What does the `32-bit representation of its C type' represent? 20:38:23 jrapdx0 [~jrapdx@74-95-41-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:38:26 It is if you are okay with keeping around a mapping table that tells you that #24823 is "a function returning float that accepts three arguments, a float, a long, and another function which accepts two arguments, both ints" 20:38:37 Why, it represents its type to C 20:39:59 is the esh code available anywhere? 20:51:46 -!- davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has quit [Quit: Later] 20:52:39 -!- acarrico [~acarrico@cable54-3-142.stoweaccess.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:40 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:53:00 Trapped inside Oracle, if not lost altogether, alas. 20:53:37 I'm probably going to solve this in Flopsy (which does not try to represent all C datatypes) by taking advantage of C's permission to ignore the types of function arguments, and go blooey if they are wrong. 20:55:07 That is, functions callable from Scheme will be statically checked, but Scheme functions called from C will not be; if you pass the wrong Scheme function to C, you suffer. 20:55:16 s/functions/C functions/1 20:55:53 only the return value will be statically checked. 20:56:30 "if you pass the wrong Scheme function to C" 20:56:33 could you elaborate on that? 21:00:02 -!- zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:02:05 -!- inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 21:22:40 For example, if you pass a Scheme function to 'f64vector-map' (which is a C function), and that function doesn't accept a double and return a double, all die. 21:23:18 Because the compiler only knows that the first argument of f64vector-map is a function, not the exact type of the function. 21:23:53 The C compiler knows, of course, but if f64vector-map and your code are in two different C files (as is likely), it can't catch the mismatch. 21:25:14 wrl: does that help? 21:25:54 Actually, it's not a problem if the function you pass is statically known. But if it isn't, *then* all die. 21:26:17 ah right, yeah that helps 21:26:22 so what's the aim of Flopsy then? 21:27:51 To write floating-point routines in Scheme (or not-quite-Scheme) that can be compiled to unsafe-but-reasonable C. 21:28:13 Got it. 21:28:22 Notoriously, Scheme systems don't handle floats well: they mostly box them. 21:39:01 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:18 -!- agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:48:39 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 21:58:40 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 21:59:52 -!- civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:01:13 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:13 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 22:06:00 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD563E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:06:09 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD563E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 22:07:58 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 22:15:37 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 22:16:50 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 22:22:13 pt [~pt@84.114.230.154] has joined #scheme 22:28:19 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:05 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #scheme 22:31:28 -!- pt [~pt@84.114.230.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:32:30 pt [~pt@84.114.230.154] has joined #scheme 22:34:03 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:06 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 22:36:59 -!- pt [~pt@84.114.230.154] has quit [Client Quit] 22:47:28 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:05 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:56:20 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:03:53 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:04:34 ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 23:07:28 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 23:13:10 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:30 tenq [~tenqnewse@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 23:14:53 -!- tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 23:20:05 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@host31-54-196-149.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:20:33 -!- alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD563E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:21:39 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:36 poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has joined #scheme 23:29:02 mutley89 [~mutley89@host109-156-203-217.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:32:05 -!- poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:32:32 tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:33:14 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 23:33:36 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:35:43 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-28.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:35:55 poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has joined #scheme 23:39:27 -!- mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:40:14 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:52 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:08 -!- poi519 [~danil@91.199.35.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:56:26 acarrico [~acarrico@cable54-3-142.stoweaccess.com] has joined #scheme 23:57:38 frankel [~frankel@host86-160-182-194.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 23:58:29 I'm having a problem structuring my code in the face of "exceptions", not even sure if I need to complicate things like this in Scheme: http://paste.lisp.org -- I asked a question in that paste. Thanks./+2Y5Y 23:58:45 http://paste.lisp.org/+2Y5Y 23:58:48 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]