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I think the latter yes, the former not. 12:23:09 I think yes to the former too 12:23:29 http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-cont/ seems to have a couple limitations .. result of the non-clean design probably. 12:24:27 Well, result of the feature not being built into the language, rather. 12:25:12 htor: http://community.schemewiki.org/?Scheme-VS-Common-Lisp 12:25:37 That page should be more or less objective .. might want to look for one written by CLers too. 12:26:37 cool! 12:27:04 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 12:28:41 Ugh, second Google result for "scheme vs common lisp" is a StackOverflow thread which unsurprisingly says not much more than "Scheme is small and clean, CL is big and powerful," which is obviously a vast over-simplification. 12:29:20 Last time I checked, Racket is bigger than SBCL by about 6 times in data volume, looking at ArchLinux packages. 12:29:37 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 12:29:39 s/volume/amount/ 12:29:44 OTOH, racket is not simply scheme. 12:31:04 taylanub: it's not about volume... 12:32:19 The problem could be said to be people's wrong assumption that the Scheme standards are a correct representation of what Scheme implementations tend to support in terms of built-in features. 12:33:35 taylanub, then you should google racket vs SBCL 12:33:37 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:33:53 well, the standard *is* the only way to write "portable" code, so CL wins there :) 12:34:13 taylanub: there's a difference between what scheme impl's tend to support and what single impl's support... 12:35:47 True true, but all too often a newcomer will unknowingly ask the wrong question. E.g. they will really want to know how the biggest Scheme implementations compare to the biggest CL implementations, but will ask about the languages themselves. 12:40:37 Anyway, let's hope that R7RS-large will change the answer either way. :P 12:41:51 hear hear :) 12:49:32 fdr [~rafaelfdr@ps53163.dreamhost.com] has joined #scheme 12:50:30 -!- hopfrog [~quassel@pool-108-39-216-117.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:58 hopfrog [~quassel@pool-108-39-216-117.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 12:58:58 kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 13:12:45 davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has joined #scheme 13:18:34 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [] 13:25:38 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 13:26:51 dioxirane [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has joined #scheme 13:33:09 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 13:34:08 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-198-220.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 13:48:55 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 13:52:49 -!- dioxirane [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:58 dioxirane [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has joined #scheme 14:00:24 -!- samth_away is now known as samth 14:02:29 ecraven: it depends on what you want portability between 14:03:41 dioxriane [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has joined #scheme 14:03:49 -!- dioxirane [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:04:02 -!- fdr [~rafaelfdr@ps53163.dreamhost.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 14:05:48 fdr [~rafaelfdr@ps53163.dreamhost.com] has joined #scheme 14:08:09 -!- dioxriane [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:36 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 14:10:08 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 14:15:49 -!- spobat [~spobat@p5DC77327.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22:47 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:27:19 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #scheme 14:29:20 aranhoide [~smuxi@13.Red-81-33-60.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:33:30 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:51 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:34:46 -!- pierpa``` [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:38:30 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:44:24 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:46:55 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:53:54 tenq [~tenqnewse@SSID-Mason.wireless.gmu.edu] has joined #scheme 14:56:35 -!- inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:59:30 inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has joined #scheme 15:05:46 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:05:48 pnpuff [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has joined #scheme 15:09:57 -!- pnpuff [~name@gateway/tor-sasl/dioxirane] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:55 -!- inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 15:27:14 inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has joined #scheme 15:39:41 pumpkin360 [~main@idn150.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #scheme 15:39:47 Hi. 15:40:19 teleScope [~cong@223.83.135.142] has joined #scheme 15:40:47 Does anybody presesnt here have experience in coding AI in scheme ? 15:42:22 Long, long ago, I took an AI course using Lisp. Not sure how similar what I've done would be to what you're doing, but what questions've you got? 15:42:41 To be more precise - I want to make tree searching algorithms in scheme. The problem is that I coded that already in C and it turned out to be extremelly crude imperative programming 15:43:07 for example, swap(tab[i][j-1],tab[i][j]); 15:43:11 Tree searching should be pretty natural in Scheme. 15:43:19 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 15:43:28 how to manage the board? 15:43:37 "manage the board"? 15:44:14 So I'm guessing you're searching through a game state of something like chess, played on a board? 15:44:25 8 puzzle 15:44:55 small sliding puzzles, something easier than chess for the beginning. 15:45:14 do You know what I have in mind ? 15:46:16 Oh, those things. Well, off the top of my head, I'd probably represent the board as a finite mapping from positions to contents. Immutable hash tables, in Racket, for example. Or you could just use vectors and do things imperatively regardless, if that's more comfortable. 15:46:32 jrapdx [~jra@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:47:36 (a general graph search seems more appropriate than tree-specific stuff for this) 15:47:48 and probably rapidly wrap them in procedures not to mess with the ugly imperativeness.. 15:48:48 I do not repeat visiting the same nodes by using a set of visited nodes, so this would be graph search 15:48:59 speaking more preciselly. 15:50:19 -!- aranhoide [~smuxi@13.Red-81-33-60.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:50:20 and does anybody have some code doing similar searches through graph games? 15:50:31 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@SSID-Mason.wireless.gmu.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:48 -!- ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:55:48 ffio [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 15:56:50 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined 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