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I am new to scheme. I would like to write a function which would do a system call to open my $EDITOR, in this case vi, from inside my scheme repl which creates a temp file for editing and when the editor is closed returns back to the repl and parses and eval it. Mainly to grok and hack around which scheme and work through sicp and little schemer at my own pace. Any suggestions on how to go about constructing the function? 02:59:13 unixgod: that's the sort of function which depends on which scheme you're using. 02:59:23 "system" seems a likely name; it will probably start a subprocess. 03:00:01 UNIXgod: note that some combinations of editor and Scheme -- notably Emacs and racket/MIT/guile/chicken -- already have built-in stuff that does what you want 03:00:09 offby1: popen? 03:00:15 that too 03:00:24 i.e., you can edit your scheme in the editor, hit a key or two, and have the text of your program sent to a REPL 03:00:37 SLIME? 03:00:40 let's get specific-- what scheme and editor are you using 03:01:01 UNIXgod: slime, sort of, although it's kinda old and klunky; I'd recommend geiser over SLIME 03:01:11 offby1: I may look into emacs. been doing vi way to long. I wrote something like it once for ruby and irb which can be set to any terminal or gui based one. 03:02:01 emacs is itself written in a flavor of lisp, so historically it's been very friendly to other lisps 03:02:39 offby1: I realize emacs may be something to look at when I become serious with this stuff. Lowest point of entry for now is to just get simple hack going and consider emacs+evil later 03:02:58 geiser run stand alone? 03:04:27 nope 03:04:33 gesier runs inside emacs, full stop 03:04:49 UNIXgod: so ... what scheme are you using? 03:04:59 It almost certainly has a function to start a process 03:05:09 offby1: can you direct me to the first steps on learning and setting up emacs. 03:05:51 UNIXgod: probably the best way is to install it, then run its built-in tutorial by typing C-h t 03:05:51 offby1: chicken for now. I have some others on the system but work with chicken first untill I know why to use others. 03:06:08 ok, chicken is good. I don't know it myself, but it surely has functions for starting processes. 03:06:24 adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:06:30 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 03:07:11 offby1: what do you use? 03:07:14 racket 03:07:21 weird, chicken's docs don't seem to include a function reference 03:07:36 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:07:52 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:08:26 offby1, UNIXgod: http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/Unit%20posix 03:08:31 offby1: does the standard have it? where do I locate the standard? 03:08:32 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:36 http://wiki.call-cc.org/man/4/Unit%20posix#processes 03:09:08 gnomon: thanks! 03:10:50 I want R5 not R6 for standard language across implimentations? 03:11:54 That's like asking if you want C or C++. 03:11:58 This: http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/ would be all schemes so I could do portable from chicken to racket? 03:12:01 One ain't t'other. 03:12:17 UNIXgod: let me gently discourage you from worrying about writing portable scheme code 03:12:31 *gnomon* nods vigorously 03:12:33 I may get flamed for saying this, but (apart from libraries) nothing useful you write can be portable. 03:12:52 gnomon: I was thinking like posix and shell programming. 03:13:12 *gnomon* emits a token grunt about offby1's use of the indexical term "useful" 03:13:29 *offby1* exhales 03:13:45 *offby1* ships the grunt off to VietNam 03:13:54 UNIXgod, oh, I know exactly what you're after; but you're not going to find that in R5RS or any other RnRS. The specification does not specify an OS; that's an implementation detail, so you're going to have to pick an implementation. 03:14:09 No such comfort here. 03:15:40 chicken is probably fine 03:15:41 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:15:47 it's maintained, pretty complete, etc. 03:15:50 from what I hear. 03:16:22 UNIXgod, of course, you could implement an R5RS Scheme in POSIX-standard sh, or an POSIX-standard awk (look up Darius Bacon's work in that space if you're batshit chewing-on-the-scenery insane). 03:16:29 (in a good way) 03:17:18 gnomon: okay. I understand. I'll start with chicken and get my feet wet. Until I have my bearings I may have some off noob questions like this. Still getting my head around the whats and whys and hows. 03:18:24 UNIXgod, you'll always find folks here able and willing to help you. 03:21:38 nubulosity 03:21:43 nubulism 03:22:26 snaf00b? 03:22:42 gnomon: I apprecate it. Just want to get to the point where I can communicate effectivly without coming of naivete and begin to formulate my own stratagies on which implimentation for which task and why. I'm looking forward to grokking this stuff. 03:23:11 offby1, gnomon I appreciate the help. 03:23:40 Pleasure! Ja matta ne! 03:25:41 spik ingrish 03:26:55 offby1: I have to grok japanese one day =) scheme and japanese are my next languages to learn! 03:27:15 *gnomon* gibbers and flails 03:27:36 *offby1* stocks up on paper bags 03:28:11 *gnomon* inflates a paper bag and bats it in the general direction of offby1's carefully folded and stacked stock 03:28:35 Caution, tentacle slime. 03:51:16 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:45 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.99.105] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:09:43 sounds like this anime I was... 04:09:44 nevermind 04:16:27 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:23:57 -!- UNIXgod [~v0id@funtoo/user/UNIXgod] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:26:50 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 04:29:06 -!- stamourv [~user@racket/stamourv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:14 stamourv 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is it that "On empty strings, empty vectors, and empty bytevectors, eq? may also behave differently from eqv?.", and may eq? return #t in these situations when eqv? returns #f ? 11:55:23 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 11:55:29 -!- bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:15 taylanub, I would assume that eqv? would identify them as the same, but eq? might acknowledge separately allocated empty things. 12:06:06 -!- aranhoide [~smuxi@140.Red-95-122-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:07:59 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09:23 aranhoide [~smuxi@69.Red-83-59-2.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 12:11:02 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 12:11:26 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:11:44 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 12:17:44 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has joined 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I've written af scheme syntax checker. Anyone know if there is a place i can get a list of right and wrong syntaxed expressions to check if it checks them correctly?.. 12:29:04 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32:38 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:49 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 12:34:05 -!- ASau [~user@p4FF9605D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:40 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #scheme 12:37:43 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@c-76-114-26-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:42 ASau [~user@p4FF9605D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 12:40:32 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 12:41:23 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56:34 -!- Malakith [~Malakith@192.38.33.17] has quit [] 13:09:21 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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You'll probably have to create not-well-formed expressions yourself. 21:03:29 pierpa`` [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 21:08:06 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:21:09 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:23:10 -!- InvalidC1 is now known as InvalidCo 21:25:14 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 21:39:20 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 21:39:54 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:29 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:45:56 ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined #scheme 21:50:31 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:37 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 21:56:56 G77719 [~user@189.62.37.227] has joined #scheme 21:59:18 -!- Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:07:13 Guest67107 [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:07:16 -!- Guest67107 [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:07:16 Guest67107 [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 22:07:37 tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:07:49 -!- Guest67107 is now known as jao 22:13:07 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17:42 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:25:18 -!- aoh [~aki@unaffiliated/aoh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:25:27 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #scheme 22:29:18 -!- samth [~samth@samth2.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:08 samth [~samth@racket/samth] has joined #scheme 22:33:03 -!- G77719 [~user@189.62.37.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:00:07 fizzie [fis@unaffiliated/fizzie] has joined #scheme 23:10:46 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 23:12:45 G77719 [~user@189.62.37.227] has joined #scheme 23:22:43 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:39:00 -!- tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:27 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Quit: Ack! 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