00:00:09 -!- gensym` [~user@189.62.37.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:40 No -- as I said, poke around in the code to find what's available. (There's not much code there.) 00:05:34 ok, so a matrix is like this: (define foo (make-matrix 5 3)) 00:05:40 a blank matrix with 5 rows and 3 columns? 00:07:39 Yes. 00:07:40 (define bar (make-matrix 5000 8745)) is out of memory, so I've already pushed it to its limits... 00:07:46 around what size is this intended for? 00:08:14 These are dense matrices. 00:08:19 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:08:29 So you have to have enough memory for every element. 00:08:37 ah 00:08:44 You can increase the Scheme heap size with `scheme --heap 12345', where 12345 is a number of kilowords. 00:10:26 (As I said: this is really naive code. No fancy specialized matrix algorithms for fancy sparse matrices or anything like that.) 00:10:53 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc07-o.oracle.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:07 okay. 00:11:47 (It has served various purposes for me, none of which required dealing with huge matrices.) 00:12:31 no problems, I'm just trying to find edge cases on purpose since I can't find any documentation as to its limitations. 00:13:19 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:13:50 I'm starting to work through the Scheme Programming Language 4th edition online and I want to start testing things out, but there are a lot of implementations of scheme available. Is there a generally recommended one I should start with? 00:17:02 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Rated M for MANLY] 00:17:35 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:17:57 Riastradh: okay, so to see what's in it, I have to (display (matrix->row-lists foo)) or (display matrix->column-lists foo)), right? 00:18:55 inquirequeue, i found this useful, maybe will help, http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations, thanks to taylanub, :) 00:18:55 http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx 00:19:26 aeth, sure. 00:19:29 I can see how this would be a bit of a disadvantage to someone used to using the Python REPL for such computing tasks because generally Python's print behaves polymorphically on the data structure so you can see the relevant parts of its internals iirc (been a while since I used Python). 00:19:42 Thanks, rszeno. Even the list of well documented, beginner-friendly ones was a long list. 00:19:43 You could adapt the code to make it print matrices nicely. 00:19:58 But you'd have to choose what `nicely' means. I just didn't do that. 00:20:44 (The same applies to any Python code for matrices. Someone might have already written the __print__ method or whatever for the Python libaries you're familiar with.) 00:20:48 inquiryqueue, you are welcome 00:21:29 right, I think moving this into broader use, people will want to play around with the REPL. e.g. that's how I found out that make-matrix is all 0's (and obviously identity-matrix is, well, an identity matrix). 00:22:35 I'm surprised mit-scheme doesn't use readline in the REPL, same with guile. clisp does, I thought GNU projects would do that sort of thing. 00:22:41 Use Edwin. 00:22:43 scheme --edwin --edit 00:23:05 very faithful emacs UI clone. :o 00:23:07 (Being a GNU project doesn't mean much.) 00:25:18 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc02-o.oracle.com] has joined #scheme 00:27:09 If you want to write a nice procedure for printing matrices, go ahead -- you'll want to use the PRINT-PROCEDURE option to DEFINE-STRUCTURE. 00:28:46 the problem, of course, is the bikeshedding. it's a table of numbers, a million ways to print it, and each one will make someone unhappy. 00:29:55 maybe using keywords/arguments for format 00:30:32 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 00:31:41 zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 00:31:59 I usually just did (pp (matrix->row-lists m)) when I used it. 00:33:38 with big matrix is sometime nice to be pp in blocks 00:34:29 (...or, (fluid-let ((*pp-default-as-code?* #f)) (pp (matrix->row-lists m)))) 00:34:31 didn't know about pp. this is the problem with learning Scheme and Lisp at the same time. :-) 00:34:44 this could take avantage of spare matrix and replace id block and 0 blocks with something conventional I, O, for example 00:35:44 PP is an MIT Scheme thing (although most Schemes have something similar). 00:35:48 ah. 00:35:53 rszeno, go for it, write the code. 00:36:00 MIT Scheme is the recommended Scheme for SICP, right? 00:36:51 *shrug* If you like. The SICP support has bitrotted a bit and needs to be revived, although probably nobody is going to do it if I don't (unless you'd like to volunteer). I think Racket might have a less bitrotten SICP support package. 00:36:57 was done once but lost, :) 00:37:30 might be an interesting project, I am intending to work through (as much as possible of) SICP. the videos were pretty nice. 00:38:34 was MIT Scheme Sussman's Scheme at some point? 00:38:42 or was there an earlier Scheme developed at MIT? 00:39:08 racket has nice sicp support 00:39:12 iirc 00:39:23 I thought the racket people recommend HTDP? 00:40:22 well, it also has nice support for sicp iirc. such as the picture language, and things like that. 00:40:41 ah, yes, I can see why that would be the case, I played with DrRacket a while back. 00:40:44 Yes, although he doesn't develop MIT Scheme itself much any more. 00:41:04 Mostly he asks me to fix it if there's something broken in it. 00:41:25 edwin, which I believe is included in mit-scheme, was the editor used in the sicp lecture videos 00:41:40 Time to run off. 00:41:41 *poof* 00:41:50 zacts: wow it changed a lot since then. lower case, for instance. 00:46:32 since the SICP videos are Creative Commons licensed, it'd be an interesting project to replace the slides and computer portions with higher resolution screen captured code, updated where applicable for the second edition of SICP. of course, the main issue would probably be that the video quality is so low that the new parts would look totally out of place with the old parts. 00:48:00 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 00:54:13 another problem would be that a: even the second edition is out of date with current scheme, with the use of "true" and "false" in place of #t and #f for instance; b: Chapters 4 and 5 were new in the second edition, i think, so you couldn't cover them 00:54:22 Chapter 3 was also significantly revised iirc 00:54:29 *dpk* chexthis 00:54:56 well, at least to me the videos stood alone from the book. even though I own the book, I was able to follow along with the videos as, well, videos. 00:55:02 *dpk* nods 00:56:18 hmm, apparently i'm full of shit 00:56:28 it's more of a (if (good-enough? video (share video))) issue. 00:56:31 the revisions were not as dramatic as i recall from the last time i read http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/front/node2.html 00:56:56 idk why, but the name good-enough? really stuck with me. I like it. :-) 00:57:05 hehe, yeah 00:57:19 you messed up your parens there, though 00:57:31 no emacs to balance them :-/ 00:57:40 my mind is emacs-dependent. 00:57:46 hehe 00:57:54 ah, right 00:58:07 (if (good-enough? video) (share video)) 00:58:12 :-) 00:58:28 maybe I need to switch to Notepad, run under wine, for my Lisp/Scheme coding so I can learn the language rather than the editor. 00:58:40 you really can't get worse than Notepad. 00:58:53 -!- LAMMJohnson [~ja@user-5af4385c.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:02 well, okay, ed is terrible for s-expression-based languages imo as it is a line editor. 00:59:03 -!- inquiryqueue [~kepod@38.126.147.227] has left #scheme 00:59:31 jcowan uses ed for most of his editing tasks, i believe 00:59:35 ex, in fact 00:59:42 ah 00:59:50 I use ed as a joke. 01:00:39 i would still very much like to see a new high-quality structure editor for Scheme and other Lisps 01:01:01 apparently there is an ok one for Scheme available on the iPad now 01:01:07 but, iPad 01:01:52 I know just enough ed or cryptic one-liner sh to, well, have fun with people if I ever need to share things. 01:01:55 personally, I like emacs :-P 01:01:59 hehe 01:02:20 yes, echo/cat/etc. combined with > and >> and so on can be used to edit things, too. 01:02:32 my shell criminality is mostly limited to https://gist.github.com/dpk/5499005 01:02:43 well, i also write a lot of terrible CGIs in shell 01:03:25 although, tbh, I've been burned before with the shell, e.g. accidentally not escaping > and so overwriting a file I wanted. so now I always "cat foo.log | grep ''" so as to avoid "grep '' foo.log"... 01:03:34 hehehe 01:03:38 second or third time that happened and I'm like "nope, always cat and pipe it." 01:03:43 yah 01:03:52 so sometimes when my sh looks bad there are reasons. 01:03:58 i really really want someone to make a modern UI for a derivative of rc, the Plan 9 shell 01:04:15 because the actual rc Unix port feels like it was written in 1990. probably because it was 01:04:44 but i really want something that is to rc what zsh is to bash 01:05:01 because rc is like shell scripting done right 01:06:58 idk, now that I've used so many REPLs, I'm not really a big fan of any sh environment. 01:07:10 I use zsh now for interactive shells, but getting it to do anything fancy significantly slows the terminal startup time. 01:07:50 yeah. OS X's slow process spawning (compared to other Unices) means zsh is slow even though i run a fairly stock setup 01:12:29 i wish there was a better OS than Unix, most of all 01:13:19 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:13:59 anyway, it's getting late for me. 'night! 01:14:09 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:14:13 ok, 'night 01:19:37 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:22:37 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 01:28:45 jcowan [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 01:30:54 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 01:44:55 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:45:09 -!- nalaginrut [~nalaginru@61.14.130.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:48:32 hoi hoi 01:48:42 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53:59 tenq [~tenqnewse@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:56:53 ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined #scheme 01:58:06 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:01:48 nalaginrut [~nalaginru@61.14.130.226] has joined #scheme 02:03:12 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 02:06:07 dessos [~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:08:57 -!- weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:31 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 02:12:33 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:13:08 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:15:17 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 02:22:50 hi jcowan 02:25:14 hey ho 02:30:23 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 02:31:43 r7rs-large is open? 02:32:38 Sort of. The mailing list is now read/write to anyone interested, some SRFIs are working their way through the SRFI process, and a new draft charter exists, but the SC has not yet considered it. 02:33:04 Feel free to join the list, and of course look at the wiki and join the lists for SRFI 111, 112, 113. 02:34:41 The draft charter is at http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/ProposedWG2Charter 02:37:25 -!- ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:37:54 _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 02:43:53 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 02:47:37 annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:47:37 -!- annodomini [~lambda@c-76-23-156-75.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:47:37 annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has joined #scheme 02:49:07 -!- kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has quit [Quit: z____z] 02:50:22 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 02:55:59 adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 03:08:01 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.101.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:52 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:17:33 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:17:52 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 03:18:00 gavilan2 [~Gavilan2@184.75.213.226] has joined #scheme 03:19:01 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:19:14 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:23:56 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.106.173] has joined #scheme 03:25:09 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 03:27:02 hi all 03:27:17 hey ho, adu 03:27:26 how goes? 03:30:16 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:30:29 I just found this: http://docopt.org/ I may never use getopt ever again 03:30:52 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:34:26 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 03:34:57 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:35:15 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:37:09 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:38:02 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:39:06 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 03:47:59 I use ed, but only rarely and noninteractively. 03:53:23 -!- pierpa`` [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:53:25 Pretty much same here, though of course ex is my dominant editor 03:54:41 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172-15-249-133.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:55:06 ericmathison [~ericmathi@172.15.249.133] has joined #scheme 03:57:20 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-72-83-26-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 04:00:37 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 04:13:35 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.106.173] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:15:49 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:16:29 jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.193.190.38] has joined #scheme 04:17:24 -!- jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.193.190.38] has quit [Client Quit] 04:18:43 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.178.216.22] has joined #scheme 04:19:06 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:20:29 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27:10 -!- zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:29:02 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 04:36:56 zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 04:45:00 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:58:56 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 05:01:21 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:28 aranhoide [~smuxi@231.Red-79-157-101.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 05:11:33 -!- ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53:16 -!- _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:59:27 _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has joined #scheme 06:05:40 -!- dessos [~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #scheme 06:07:34 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc02-o.oracle.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:07:50 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc02-o.oracle.com] has joined #scheme 06:14:04 ASau` [~user@p5797EDA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 06:15:21 -!- ASau [~user@p5797E28E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:16:03 agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 06:31:54 hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has joined #scheme 06:31:55 -!- hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has quit [Changing host] 06:31:55 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #scheme 06:39:26 -!- cibs [~cibs@60-251-40-253.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:41:09 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:57:26 ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has joined #scheme 06:58:24 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-161-158.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 06:59:21 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 07:02:09 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:03:49 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 07:04:09 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 07:05:05 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:25 inarru [~inarru@host86-144-41-111.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 07:09:20 -!- ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:16 -!- inarru [~inarru@host86-144-41-111.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:13:52 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 07:18:05 Where's the public ML of R7RS-large ? 07:18:42 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 07:20:17 -!- kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has quit [Quit: x___x] 07:20:45 Hrm, are scheme-reports-wg1 and scheme-reports-wg2 open for writing ? All public R7RS-small discussion was going on in the main scheme-reports ML though, not ? I actually thoughts that's the only public one. 07:21:16 -!- aranhoide [~smuxi@231.Red-79-157-101.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:22 jrapdx [~jrapdx@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 07:25:52 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 07:38:18 jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 07:41:11 ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has joined #scheme 07:45:14 civodul [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/civodul] has joined #scheme 07:57:07 -!- nalaginrut [~nalaginru@61.14.130.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:14:04 nalaginrut [~nalaginru@61.14.130.226] has joined #scheme 08:19:18 hello schemers, check out http://quasiconf.twoticketsplease.de/ :-) 08:23:56 miql_ [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 08:27:43 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 08:37:47 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:45:55 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:46:59 inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has joined #scheme 08:48:23 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:35 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:57:59 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 09:12:55 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:15:08 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 09:17:14 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:18:16 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 09:47:32 -!- carleastlund [~carleastl@209-6-40-238.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 09:56:22 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:53 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:01:23 -!- ASau [~user@p5797EDA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:45 ASau [~user@p5797EDA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 10:07:43 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:07:52 -!- miql_ [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:10:16 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@theo1.theochem.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #scheme 10:10:27 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 10:13:11 -!- _ffio_ [~fire@unaffiliated/security] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:13:23 cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 10:22:01 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-161-158.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:44:53 -!- jrapdx [~jrapdx@c-98-246-145-216.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:01:07 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:03:03 -!- agumonkey [~agu@194.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:09:11 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 11:14:01 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 11:16:17 -!- ogamita [~t@77.104.4.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:17:02 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-185-250.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 11:17:56 newtothis [~chatzilla@77.126.40.228] has joined #scheme 11:26:51 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 11:30:06 -!- inarru [~inarru@93.89.95.250] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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All public R7RS-small discussion was going on in the main scheme-reports ML though, not ? I actually thoughts that's the only public one. 14:50:40 Hi BTW. :) 14:50:58 wg1 is not open by decision of its chair. wg2 *is* open by decision of *its* chair. 14:51:18 wg1 needs a small focused group, wg2 needs lots of people, not all of whom will be interested in everything it is doing. 14:51:20 Ah, interesting. Thanks. 14:51:42 *taylanub* subscribes. 14:51:47 BTW, is "Taylan" your family name? I need to know for the credits. 14:51:55 -!- gavilan2 [~Gavilan2@184.75.213.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:53:01 adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:53:22 My full name is Taylan Ulrich Bayrl in my Turkish citizenship and Taylan Ulrich Kammer in my German citizenship. :\ 14:53:37 Ah. Which form do you prefer for the acknowledgements? 14:53:51 I had been reading your name as inverted and listing it as "Ulrich B. Taylan" 14:54:01 Would "Taylan Ulrich Bayrl/Kammer" be possible ? 14:54:10 (Will be taking a bit of place. :P) 14:54:18 Abbreviating Ulrich to U. would be OK too. 14:54:27 Sure, why not? (I dread the day we get comments from Georgia and the person wants their name in the Georgian script.) 14:54:48 Hehe, I'd like the full version then. 14:55:15 Kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 14:55:59 jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:56:02 -!- jao [~jao@208.Red-193-153-230.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:56:02 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 14:57:08 (Please note the "dotless i" in the Turkish last-name. Although I already have the funny issue that the capitalization of my middle-name in my Turkish citizenship ends up being ULRCH.) 14:59:16 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 15:00:11 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 15:00:11 No problem; fixed. 15:00:22 Thanks. :) 15:00:35 Be aware that string-upcase and string-downcase will not handle your name correctly. :-) 15:01:50 Hehe, localization is a funny issue. Many web-forms still make me enter Bayirli because they can't handle Unicode (in this day and age). 15:02:51 My favorite Turkish restaurant in NYC prints its menu in all ASCII 15:03:40 -!- brianloveswords [~brianlove@li124-154.members.linode.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:04:29 I can generally figure out , ö, and ü, but I can't tell the difference between g and  when they are both printed g. 15:04:47 So if I tried to order dishes by their Turkish names I would probably sound like a Greek. 15:04:49 brianloveswords [~brianlove@li124-154.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 15:07:44 The food is good anyway even if I order in English 15:08:05 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:08:39 :) 15:09:09 *rszeno* halva and rahat, i love both :) 15:09:16 Any advice for spotting  written g? Vowol harmono does it for the vowels. 15:10:14 tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:11:45 stamourv` [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 15:12:05 -!- stamourv`` [~user@ahuntsic.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:22 Hrm, if its followed by a consonant it's pretty much sure to be the soft-g I think; no words come to mind where the regular g is followed by a consonant. Other than that, only vocabulary would help I guess. 15:14:55 escaping utf-8 in ascii using \uhhhh is not posible? 15:15:16 Oh also, at the end of a word. Ending a word in a regular g is similarly rare (if not nonexistent). 15:15:47 Ah, thanks! 15:16:23 So basically the constraint is "no g at the end of a syllable" 15:17:17 Hrm, indeed, that should be it. Funny when you're a native speaker and never think of such things. 15:18:35 -!- aranhoide [~smuxi@231.Red-79-157-101.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:21:09 Oh and of course the soft g can't be the first letter of a word. Perhaps saying it can't be the first letter of a syllable would be more accurate, but for some reason intuition leads me to splitting words into syllables in such a fashion that it does end up as the first letter of some syllables ... 15:22:19 miql_ [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #scheme 15:22:21 What are some words like that? 15:22:38 rszeno: In what context? 15:24:23 usualy people use utf-8 to write names, text with diacritics 15:25:13 Yes, I know, but where do you want to use the \u escape? No Scheme I know of supports it. 15:25:40 is stored somewhere and manipulated later and when there is no support except for ascii i use to escape in a normalized form 15:26:18 mit scheme use this with rdf and turtle, internal use 15:27:03 For example in the word "aa"; intuition leads me to split it into "a" and "a", because generally is split into and . On the other hand "a" cannot really be pronounced well (ends up like "a"), whereas "a" and "a" can be. I don't know if there's an "official" rule dictating which way is right when the soft g is in play. 15:27:57 pierpa`` [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 15:28:00 Pffft, what a word. I would expect it to be pronounced "aa-a" or just "aaaaaaaa" 15:28:59 The soft g is like a small "drop" nearing towards  and going back up, so to say. 15:29:09 it doesn't sound like "agha" ? 15:29:28 That'd be nearer to the regular g. 15:30:05 (Hrm, it's only "going back up" if another vowel follows.) 15:30:22 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B298A71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:31:43 Indeed putting  in place of the soft g will probably tend to give the best approximation for the correct pronounciation, in general. 15:32:23 (Without a clear cut between the two vowels, and instead transitioning between them, then stopping half-way through. :P) 15:32:41 (Before reaching the  that is.) 15:33:44 The WP article on "Turkish alphabet" says soft-g is pronounced "like English gh in dough", which is pretty funny. 15:34:22 Still, I suppose it is a reasonable approximation for foreigners, to pretend it is not there. 15:34:43 Maybe I'm mistaken in the ways in which "gh" would be pronounced in the example "agha" ? In "dough" it sounds about right, if my pronounciation of dough is right. 15:35:55 Anglophones perceive the "gh" in "dough" as completely silent 15:36:03 the vowel movement comes from the "ou", not the "gh" 15:36:21 thus "dough" rhymes with "toe" in all but a handful of accents 15:37:35 Historically "agha" is from "aa" in any case 15:38:44 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:50 but is just as likely to be spelled "aga" in English, esp. in non-Turkish contexts 15:39:05 Hrm, when the soft g comes after a u, the transition towards the dotless i is even more subtle, and would often be removed entirely in fast speech (justifying the dough example), but it still is there when speaking fully correct. 15:39:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agha_(Ottoman_Empire) 15:39:35 i recall is something for this, IPA? accent is placed different and length of h could long or short and can be described 15:39:45 Ah, I didn't even realize that word was acknowledged, thought it was a made-up word for the example. 15:40:32 The Aga Khan is normally so spelled nowadays, though you see "Agha Khan" in older books. 15:41:58 In Persian it's spelled with a qaf, which is historically correct (Old Mongolian "aqa") 15:43:11 I know near to nothing about Persian .. 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I can see why that would have advantages over ed. especially since you can :visual if you need to. 20:02:30 -!- aranhoide [~smuxi@148.Red-81-33-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:03:55 inarru [~inarru@host86-144-41-111.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 20:04:25 oh wow ex is so much better than ed. :-) 20:04:47 if i'm not wrong vim emulate ex, was imvented before 20:05:02 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_%28text_editor%29 20:05:15 jonrafkind [~jon@c-50-131-54-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:05:15 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@c-50-131-54-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:05:15 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 20:05:26 (1) ex was an improved ed, (2) ex is now a "personality" of vi 20:05:58 so the old vi was implemented in ex, and now ex is implemented in vi. just like bc was once implemented in dc but now I think dc is implemented in bc. which is a shame, I prefer dc. 20:06:21 yes but vim is not vi, :) 20:07:06 I always thought of it like this: "vim is a vi" just like "GNU Emacs is an emacs" 20:07:27 :) 20:07:28 which sort of justifies why vi often launches vim and emacs usually launches GNU Emacs. 20:09:48 are decision taken based on popularity, maybe is better this way but is confusing 20:09:50 edwin's also an emacs. it has a different feature set in some ways, but it does kind of tell you what to expect when using it. 20:10:19 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:29 rszeno: well, the whole point of a software distribution is to make things easy on the user, even if from a historical or technical viewpoint they're not necessarily correct. vim is not the original vi, and gnu emacs is just one of many editors called emacs. 20:11:47 but binding "vi" to "vim" makes sense for most users. dropping a vim user in vi is cruel. 20:12:54 true, but makeing him to believe he use vi or mail when he use vim or mailx is worst, :) 20:13:59 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 20:14:32 -!- trusktr [~trusktr@c-76-114-26-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:14:34 aeth: A vi mode, not Vim. :) 20:14:49 Err, wait, vi is an ex mode. 20:15:10 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable010.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:15:18 ok, let's see if I can get this right: vi is in ex. most people's ex is actually in vim, though. 20:15:18 Originally anyway. You can switch between the two modes. I think many systems have two separate executables regardless; I'm not sure why. 20:15:37 -!- inarru [~inarru@host86-144-41-111.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: gone] 20:15:53 bah... ex -v is good enough for anyone! 20:16:19 The plain standard editors are ed, ex, and vi. vi is originally entered by typing :visual or :vi for short in ex. Vim is a big text-editor comparable to, say, Emacs's text-editor capabilities. 20:16:40 ("Plain standard" meaning present on pretty much any Unix system, and standardized by POSIX.) 20:17:06 yes. apparently "ex -v" brings up vi, according to Wikipedia. 20:17:13 so no need to do ex and then :vi 20:17:14 pothos [~pothos@114-25-196-245.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 20:17:27 -!- pothos_ [~pothos@1-164-212-249.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:18:08 although people are exceedingly lazy. I alias my "emacs -nw" to "e". 20:18:47 taylanub: yes. ed, ex, and vi show up under text processing for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unix_commands 20:18:50 I leave my Emacs running until the PC crashes. :) 20:19:05 aeth: I alias emacsclient to ec. 20:19:09 I don't run my IRC under emacs. 20:22:37 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #scheme 20:27:13 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:29:05 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:32:27 hmm... there seems to be a large overlap between the emacs, the scheme, and the lisp communities. 20:34:08 No wonder, since Emacs is the most commonly available (virtual) lisp machine. :) 20:34:34 I'm not sure I like the design paradigm of basing everything around buffers. works for text, not sure it scales. 20:36:09 I think an interesting way to make a (virtual) lisp machine is to have a daemon or set of daemons constantly running to provide the Lisp and/or Scheme services. sort of like what emacsclient does, except with a broader intent as to what applications it provides. 20:36:25 You can put properties on text to make buttons, or to overlay it with an image if the display supports it, etc. 20:36:51 guys, I can't contain my laughter: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=5841020&whence=item%3fid%3d5839549 20:37:23 whence... wow 20:38:33 aeth: You don't do whence and her partner whither? 20:38:47 God damn; they're indispensible for graphs. 20:39:15 well, it's archaic. it doesn't mean it's not useful, it just means I don't see it often. 20:41:09 davexunit: to be fair, the FSF/GNU missed an opportunity to extend their philosophy via the AGPL on a massive new trend (websites doing things formerly run locally) instead just writing about it philosophically. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html 20:42:09 I think http://www.informatimago.com/ is the only place where I've seen the AGPL used lately. 20:44:12 aeth: yeah I suppose you are right 20:44:18 mediagoblin is AGPL :) 20:44:59 I'm not sure how the AGPL fails to address SaaS, though 20:45:40 the article you linked discusses a problem and then promotes the AGPL 20:45:51 people don't use the gcc because it's GPL. people use the gcc because it's good. telling people to use the AGPL is different than creating useful applications that use the AGPL. 20:46:31 so, to play devil's advocate a bit, you could say that there was a shift of focus from actively cloning things they saw as necessary to just writing about it. 20:47:00 okay, I sort of buy that argument. 20:47:07 but I'm not crazy about it. 20:47:26 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:47:59 -!- zacts [~blueberry@c-174-50-75-226.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:49:03 inarru [~inarru@host86-144-41-111.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 20:49:06 fun chat aeth, gotta go now. bye! 20:49:08 -!- davexunit [~user@38.104.7.18] has quit [Quit: Later] 20:49:14 ok 20:50:48 for the record, that post is an awful argument for permissive licensing. 20:51:41 zacts [~blueberry@c-174-50-75-226.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:55:10 -!- inarru [~inarru@host86-144-41-111.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 21:01:15 aeth: I have one AGPL3 server: telnet://clis.informatimago.com:8101 21:01:55 I've not checked, but I don't think a lot of users have profited from their freedom of downloading its sources :-) 21:05:31 interesting. 21:05:43 -!- zacts [~blueberry@c-174-50-75-226.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:05:43 zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 21:06:38 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 21:08:21 But with scandals like Apple, Google, FaceBook, etc, spying on their users for the FBI/NSA, perhaps people will start thinking about running their own services on their own computers. 21:08:50 i doubt 21:08:55 Perhaps 0,03%. 21:09:08 (including me) 21:09:18 But we should provide them with easy-to-install, configure and run, servers (with sources). 1-click MTA, 1-click cloud storage, 1-click video publishing etc. 21:09:24 people are to happy with services, google, github, etc. 21:09:44 They must be educated. 21:09:45 hopefully cloud storage with encryption 21:09:58 there are nice free software packages for that! 21:10:10 It's just a question of easy installers, and education. 21:10:24 And I guess with stuff like FBI/NSA, half the education is done. 21:10:30 is also a problem of haedware 21:10:38 hardware 21:10:42 IPv6 and kill the NAT. 21:10:54 pjb: wasn't that what Diaspora was about? and then Google+ came out of nowhere and stole all the press attention for Facebook-killing? and then no one is using either afaik. 21:10:59 oh, and SDSL instead of ADSL. 21:11:11 :-) 21:11:24 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 21:13:16 freedombox, unhosted maybe, :) 21:13:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:58 -!- Kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:25 a modern Lisp Machine, obviously, would be the best approach. 21:14:28 Kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 21:16:48 ed is the standard editor. 21:16:50 -!- Kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:02 well, technically speaking, these days ex and vi are also standard. 21:17:48 -!- tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:04 Kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has joined #scheme 21:18:46 Basing everything around buffers is easy to implement consistently. You could do a real structure editor, but paredit is a lot easier to implement. 21:22:07 -!- DerGuteMoritz [~syn@saturn.lileth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:22:19 And paredit doesn't rob you of the plethora of convenient text editing commands that are (literally!) always at your fingertips in Emacs. 21:23:03 -!- Kobain [~kobian@unaffiliated/kobain] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:24:16 developernotes [~developer@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has joined #scheme 21:25:04 aeth: your response to Riastradh is a category error 21:25:47 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD605C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:00 samth: what do you mean? vi and ex are SUS/POSIX. 21:28:33 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:30:42 tcsc [~tcsc@c-76-127-240-20.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:31:07 Riastradh: well, but not to use on a tablet. Somebody did a gesture based sexp editor for a tablet recently (with a clojure and a mini scheme). 21:31:57 I'm going to be a grumpy curmudgeon for the rest of my life about using tablets to code, so don't give me any of that balderdash about tabloids or whatever you call those Twitter terminals! 21:33:15 tablets are really nice at being web browser devices for passively reading Internet sites comfortably... but I definitely wouldn't want to do much more than that on them. 21:33:39 even if we don't like it world is going mobile, :) 21:34:11 alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD605C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 21:34:17 I already went mobile a decade ago but I don't need a phony or a tabloid to do that! 21:34:31 I'm not sure "the world is going mobile" is anything more than hype. most people own multiple categories of devices, and use them where suitable. phones are very nice for being always near you, tablets are very comfortable for reading things, etc., but the keyboard is an extremely efficient method to get things done. 21:34:48 mobile devices are selling well because everyone already has a computer, but they tend to not have a tablet. 21:37:32 ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has joined #scheme 21:37:39 -!- developernotes [~developer@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: developernotes] 21:41:42 aeth: that's what i mean -- Riastradh's comment was a reference to a funny document, not a statement about standardization 21:41:53 then again, I don't know how anyone can get things done on Windows (*without paying lots of money to buy someone's software) 21:42:32 so maybe I'm not a good judge as to if people will try to poorly get things done on tablets or not 21:42:49 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 21:42:57 -!- aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:12 ed is an editor, the standard editor, not a viitor or an emacsitor. Those aren't even WORDS. 21:43:45 aeth [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #scheme 21:44:27 aeth: http://www.feep.net/~roth/geek-humor/unix/ed-is-standard-editor 21:44:48 yes 21:44:59 look how superior ed is to other editors. you can paste your full session for people to view and even reproduce. 21:57:20 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 22:01:01 aeth: but in ten years, won't the mind reader devices be much more ergonomic than the keyboard? 22:01:35 pjb: ultimately, what we're probably going to see is people become rather cyborg-like in the long run, yes. too bad there's no language that's particularly good at AI. it'd fit the niche well. 22:04:19 Yes. I think eventually we'll have a fourth brain an electronic one surrounding our cortex. We'll keep the reptilian, limbic and neocortex ones, but will add a Samsung, or Apple brain over it :-) 22:07:02 the point is to use human creativity not to build a new machine, :) 22:07:49 pjb: eww... object oriented would suck. 22:07:49 *rszeno* except maybe weird transmumanism movement 22:11:17 -!- ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:15 tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:23:09 -!- tenq [~tenqnewse@pool-173-79-212-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:28:02 -!- zacts [~blueberry@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:43:54 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-69-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:44:08 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-220-57.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 22:50:30 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:49 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:55:29 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:59:07 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4574e84c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:00:49 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4574e84c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:04:30 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 23:13:51 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 23:14:18 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:53 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-185-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:21:35 jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 23:24:40 johnnyl [~chatzilla@ool-457a8633.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 23:25:22 Is there a scheme with a low footprint and install for both the app and the scheme for Android,Mac,Lin,Win? 23:28:07 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:30:27 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-96-238-181-209.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:05 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:45:41 ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined #scheme 23:49:30 -!- johnnyl [~chatzilla@ool-457a8633.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 23:51:10 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 23:54:39 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Client Quit] 23:55:33 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD605C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:55:39 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD605C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:59:57 -!- miql_ [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]