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has joined #scheme 18:51:12 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@pD9F981B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:54:13 dpk: why would scheme use the first one in the book? 18:54:13 -!- amoe_ [~amoe@host-2-99-114-142.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:54:34 -!- fadein [~Erik@c-67-161-246-186.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:54:42 it's a matter of personal preference for style, really 18:55:16 i think the latter is clearer, others might prefer the slightly more succinct version in the former 18:55:23 amoe [~amoe@host-2-99-114-142.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 18:56:07 i think the latter is clearer as well 18:56:22 the little schemer prefers the former in many fn 18:56:23 s 18:57:03 fadein [~Erik@c-67-161-246-186.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:05:46 hiroakip [~hiroaki@77-20-192-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 19:06:43 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the 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IIRC, you have to implement them in some section. 20:57:39 -!- hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:57:42 -!- agumonke1 [~agu@97.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:01:22 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:03:19 hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 21:08:34 rudybot_ [~luser@ec2-50-18-28-110.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #scheme 21:10:38 evhan_ [evhan@pdpc/supporter/active/evhan] has joined #scheme 21:11:04 shardz_ [~samantha@ilo.staticfree.info] has joined #scheme 21:11:06 DerGuteM1ritz [~syn@saturn.lileth.net] has joined #scheme 21:11:50 weinholt` [weinholt@ratio.weinholt.se] has joined #scheme 21:11:57 -!- cyff [~cyff@78-73-106-123-no162.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: cyff] 21:14:37 tali713` [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:1896:64db:b3ee:137e] has joined #scheme 21:15:16 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:1896:64db:b3ee:137e] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:15:17 -!- tali713` is now known as tali713 21:15:32 -!- DerGuteMoritz [~syn@saturn.lileth.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:15:32 -!- evhan [evhan@pdpc/supporter/active/evhan] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:15:32 -!- shardz [~samantha@ilo.staticfree.info] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:15:33 -!- rudybot [~luser@ec2-50-18-28-110.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:15:33 -!- weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:15:38 -!- weinholt` is now known as weinholt 21:32:09 -!- mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:35:15 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:47:31 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:34 -!- DerGuteM1ritz is now known as DerGuteMoritz 21:47:50 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 21:49:58 What would happen if syntax-transformers were tagged as being such, and a Scheme' interpreter, on encountering ((foo) bar), always evaluated (foo) first, then if the value is a syntax-transformer, used it as one ? Would it be just a half-baked abstraction around `eval' ? 21:50:31 taylanub: yes 21:50:47 funny, there was just a post on the scheme-wg mailing list about this 21:51:02 which i didn't dignify with wisdom-response yet 21:51:04 You mean Stephen Lewis ? 21:51:09 because, other people can do that 21:51:19 yeah 21:51:20 I set out to write a response, then began to question my own knowledge. :D 21:51:28 Which brought me to this question. 21:51:34 oh 21:51:38 taylanub: notice that in scheme, in (f x), f is evaluated at run-time to find the function that is bound to it. 21:51:41 jcowan did response for me 21:51:42 taylanub: You get fexprs. Which means you get problems. 21:51:56 jcowan++ 21:52:22 taylanub: so what you propose would mean that each function application would have to add a check on the type of the object bound to the variable (or returned by the expression) and a dispatching whether it's a function, a macro (syntax) or a special operator. 21:52:37 mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #scheme 21:53:26 Well, some implementations already have non-procedure applicable objects, so I don't think that's the main issue. 21:53:27 This would slow down things in a significant way, and increase program size. 21:53:45 But I see it would indeed be just an "abstraction" around `eval'. 21:53:52 pjb: yeah, as taylanub says, that's not really an issue 21:53:55 taylanub: it would be better to use a specific operator for that. 21:54:07 the problem is it involves eval 21:54:13 Yes. 21:54:22 I'm not sure it's a problem. 21:54:29 well 21:54:30 no 21:55:03 it's not necessarily a problem (see Kernel and other crazy) 21:55:15 but it's a problem for compiling and so on in the usual ways 21:56:31 Perhaps one could find a theorically fine solution. But I'm afraid that the solution might be haskell, or something like that, ie. just a pure functional programming language with lazy evaluation, and therefore removing the need for macros entirely. 21:57:05 It's really weird to write some code, and sometimes when you call it with one argument, it is an expression that computes a result, and other times when you call it with another argument, it is a definition that binds the variables x and y. 21:57:20 pjb: lazy evaluation does not remove the need for macros 21:57:54 macros can manipulate compile-time decision making, binding structure, and other stuff that has no bearing on eager vs lazy 21:59:21 but in functional programming languages, there's not a clear distinction between compilation time and run-time. It only depends on whether some expression depends on unknown input from some I/O monad or something. Otherwise the compiler can compute the result and issue a program returning the literal result. Which is just what a macro would do. 22:00:15 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 22:00:48 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-jideeyjizriewlge] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:02:12 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-169-118.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:52 deveux [~deveux@74.red-83-45-150.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:06:24 weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 22:07:58 jjjj2_ [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 22:08:22 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:08:39 Hagbard_C [2ed0408e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.208.64.142] has joined #scheme 22:09:10 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:09:45 ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined #scheme 22:10:07 pjb, That's nonsense. There's no more or less distinction between compilation and runtime in one kind of language than another. 22:15:02 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:15:02 -!- kryptiskt [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:15:02 -!- LAMMJohn1on [~ja@user-5af431b9.broadband.tesco.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:15:02 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:15:02 -!- `^_^v [~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:15:22 kryptiskt [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has joined #scheme 22:15:22 LAMMJohn1on [~ja@user-5af431b9.broadband.tesco.net] has joined #scheme 22:15:31 -!- jjjj2_ [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:15:39 carleastlund: int f(int x){ return x<1?1:x*f(x-1); } int main(){ printf("%d",f(10)); } // does any C or C++ compiler comute f(10) at compilation time? 22:15:46 jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has joined #scheme 22:15:46 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu] has quit [Changing host] 22:15:47 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 22:16:01 I'd expect Haskell implementations to compute it at compilation time. 22:16:18 s/comute/compute/ 22:16:41 That's an optimization question. That's not an answer to whether compilation and runtime are separable. 22:17:49 Also, I don't see any reason why C/C++ compilers couldn't do the same thing. 22:17:57 -!- Hagbard_C [2ed0408e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.208.64.142] has left #scheme 22:18:01 I have no idea what your question was supposed to illuminate. 22:19:08 Well, I was just remarking that they don't have macros in Haskell, and don't seem to need them, thanks to lazyness. They can write a if "function". 22:19:36 That's only one of many applications for macros. 22:20:32 Yes, you can hide a DSL behind, but again, if all the arguments to your DSL functions are literal, then AFAIK a haskell compiler can compute it at compilation time, just as if it was a macro. 22:21:20 (a) if they're all literal, ANY language can do that; (b) why would they always be literal? 22:21:50 because arguments to a macro are always literal! 22:22:11 The syntax is always literal. Their meaning as expressions is not. 22:22:26 (my-macro (x) 42 (+ y z)) my-macro gets three literals, the list (x), the integer 42 and the list (+ y z). 22:22:54 Yes, but then the DSL implemented behind the macro can work at compilation time on those literals. So can a Haskell function. 22:23:02 Sure, but if it expands into (+ (x) 42 (+ y z)), the result of that can't be computed at comile-time. 22:23:13 So can a C/C++ function. 22:23:19 I don't see what distinction you're drawing here. 22:23:27 Sure. Just as the haskel DSL can reduce to a function call to +, with those same arguments. 22:23:28 Between functional and non-functional languages. 22:23:41 What is Haskell-specific about what you're saying? 22:23:56 Operations on literal data can be pre-computed in any language. 22:24:06 The difference will be made in the lazyness and if-like operators. 22:24:09 And frequently are, by most respectable compilers. 22:25:20 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 22:25:22 What difference, that has anything to do with whether compile-time versus run-time is more or less meaningful in Haskell than in C? 22:25:51 I would ask how well Haskell can implement EDSLs. 22:27:19 Well anyway, I'm tired so not now, good night! (Except for timezone issues.) 22:27:28 I will have to learn more Haskell. 22:27:38 and have fun with partial evaluation too. 22:27:47 The answer here has absolutely nothing to do with the specific semantics of Haskell. 22:28:45 For instance, we can consider whether compile-time versus run-time is meaningful in C as a whole, versus the functional subset of C (e.g. functions on integers, no pointers passed around). It's still just as meaningful in both parts. 22:34:57 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-197.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 22:35:01 Well, no. int g(int x){return 1+g(x-1);} int IF(int c,int a,int b){return c*a+(1-c)*b;} IF(1,f(10),g(10)) won't work in C, be it at compilation time or at run-time. It would work perfectly in Haskell. 22:35:55 That's not the question at hand. 22:36:00 Yes. 22:36:04 That's not. 22:36:42 Okay, perhaps there's a followup coming that I should have waited for? 22:37:05 Well, not now. I need to learn more, and to go to bed, so it won't be right now. Good night. 22:37:10 Okay, 'night! 22:44:02 -!- kryptiskt [~kryptiskt@213.101.209.229] has left #scheme 22:52:34 rewrite everything in scheme 22:52:54 oh, thought this was #wayland 22:52:59 it's usually in this tile... 22:53:08 move along, nothing to be seen here 22:57:09 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@pD9E17520.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:58:17 Wow, garbage collection is a really sad concept 22:58:24 ? 22:58:33 first we try to forget about things, we cut our ties with them 22:58:38 -!- mmc1 [~michal@j212142.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:58:41 then the death squads come by to take advantage of that 22:58:52 turning those data into dead ends 22:59:14 Well, if you choose to anthropomorphize your values, yeah, it's gonna be pretty frightening. :) 22:59:38 I want to get along building my lisp machine 22:59:48 so I can forget I have the ability to save them :( 23:00:20 Or you could find a less death-filled metaphor, y'know. 23:01:00 hmm 23:01:20 by the way 23:02:06 carleastlund: I've made at least one messy truckstop macro whose name was strikingly similar or identical to your nick. 23:02:28 maybe it was car-least 23:02:34 haha 23:05:47 oh, looks like it was a little more dignified than a macro 23:05:56 at least it was a function 23:06:25 takes the car of the list in the list with the smallest number of items 23:06:33 s/items/objects/ 23:21:06 -!- mrm [~user@46.191.181.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:22:01 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:24:04 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 23:24:32 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:26:41 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-2-99-114-142.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:35:00 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:37:52 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:47:30 walter [~walter@ip-64-134-101-130.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 23:58:55 trusktr [~trusktr@130.86.99.140] has joined #scheme