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taylanub, it was probably intended as a way to yield. However, I don't think there's really much to be learned from the concurrency primitives in the original Scheme report... 05:17:47 karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 05:18:01 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 05:21:07 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #scheme 05:39:32 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #scheme 05:44:33 -!- kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has quit [Quit: z____z] 05:50:09 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 06:00:16 kvda [~kvda@unaffiliated/kvda] has joined #scheme 06:01:20 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 06:05:30 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:30:43 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #scheme 06:30:43 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:30:43 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has 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thing -- they're hard to use and not terribly useful and nearly everyone writing a textbook about concurrency likes to ramble about them. 12:20:53 Also, nobody can keep straight the names of the operations on them, P and V. 12:33:00 -!- jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:34:49 it is *amazing* how different ##java and #scheme are in helpfullness 12:36:03 ecraven: do tell 12:36:43 I'd rather not insult anyone.. :) but in here, people actually listen and don't try to *change* the problem instead of solving it.. at least not often :) 12:37:12 jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has joined #scheme 12:37:36 Riastradh: http://cs.nyu.edu/~yap/classes/os/resources/origin_of_PV.html 12:37:58 ecraven: why would they try to change problems? 12:38:17 hkBst, yeah, I know where they came from, but nobody can keep them straight anyway... 12:38:25 "i want to do this" -> "that is stupid, do that thing instead" 12:38:36 kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #scheme 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TAG-1290, stdin:char 422 12:55:14 so looks like expand doesn't pick up the macro environment it came from automatically 12:55:44 -!- kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Changing host] 12:55:44 kurk [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #scheme 12:55:54 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:44 BW^-: what are you trying to do and doesn't bigloo support syntax-rules for a long time? 13:00:43 -!- kurk is now known as sambio 13:02:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-184-87.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:03:03 -!- tacey [~tacey@220.231.27.150] has quit [Quit: ...] 13:04:02 hkbst_: I need a scope of states within my macro expansion 13:04:39 w8 i'll give you an example 13:05:00 hkbst_: Here you go: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2317050 13:08:16 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:08:54 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 13:14:28 BW^-: the mailing list is a good place to get answers 13:16:50 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD9386C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-198.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 13:20:38 taylanub [tub@p4FD9386C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 13:23:20 hkbst_: yep 13:25:42 -!- sirdanceal0t [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:27:39 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:31:53 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:33:50 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:36:31 hi 13:36:33 solved. :D Bigloo provides define-expander, that can easily be used for exactly this; example solution posted on ML. 13:36:36 jerryzhou: hi 13:36:42 are there some good scheme videos 13:36:49 or books codes 13:38:20 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:40:23 edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has joined #scheme 13:40:45 sirdanceal0t [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 13:45:44 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #scheme 13:47:54 jerryzhou: there are several good books: SICP, HtDP, LiSP. SICP also has video lectures 13:48:39 where is video 13:49:37 -!- ijp [~user@host81-155-24-70.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 13:49:57 cibs_ [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #scheme 13:50:44 -!- BW^- [~Miranda@5-15-171-19.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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