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Where's lisppaste nowadays? Is this channel now bot-less? 02:51:18 What ho, Daemmerung! 02:51:30 'sup dawg 02:51:46 The topic line still contains lisppaste's address 02:52:12 but it doesn't seem to work 02:52:24 Indeed, but the bot is absent. And likewise from #racket. I noticed when I tried to use it elsewhere. 02:52:54 http://paste.lisp.org still works. Only the IRC proxy seems absent. 02:53:11 Well, the bot just provides notification to the channel that you've pasted, and you can do that yourself well enough. 02:53:18 It's a trivial inconvenience. 02:53:22 So what's new? 02:53:28 Yeah, that's what I did. I see chandler isn't here, either. Could be corelated. 02:53:41 *jcowan* nods. 02:53:49 Got a job that doesn't involve coding. Which stinks. So here I am to get my fix. 02:54:11 My job doesn't involve it either now, which I am just as glad of, really. 02:54:14 Unless running somebody else's Python scripts is coding. 02:54:21 Though it does feel strange after 30 years not to be a professional programmer any more. 02:54:23 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 02:54:26 I'm still a professional *geek*. 02:54:55 Likewise. I read code. Nary a sexp to be found. 02:57:39 Well, you are just in time to read the R7RS final draft and vote in the plebiscite, if you are so minded. 02:58:18 I was just going to ask how that was going. It would be fun to think about Scheme again. Link me, please. 02:58:35 Is this wee or mega R7? 03:00:19 Wee. 03:00:39 http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/raw-attachment/wiki/WikiStart/r7rs-draft-9.pdf 03:00:45 It is hard to keep abreast of these things without an outstanding project. I keep falling behind. 03:00:49 Thank you. 03:01:11 "Wee" of course is a relative term: larger than R5, much smaller than R6. 03:01:46 That's still a formidable range. "Larger than Iceland, smaller than Siberia" 03:02:11 87 pages, compared to R5RS's 50. 03:02:27 I think the four R6RS reports together are about 300 pages. 03:03:45 This is the spec that chibi tracks, right? Hm, foof isn't here either. Quiet times. 03:04:19 He's been a busy boy, what with getting married and (I think) moving house. 03:04:37 Mazel tov to him. Good that you got him pre-nuptially. 03:05:30 *jcowan* nods. 03:05:56 He's also been the subject of a lot of vituperation from Certain Elements; still, few if any people get through an RnRS without burning out to some degree. 03:06:02 (as editor, I mean) 03:06:17 I can only imagine. 03:06:36 I'm sure you can "imagine quite a lot" 03:06:53 I see that cond-expand made it in. That in itself will generate lather. 03:07:21 Just recalling some R6 drama. 03:08:47 What's the deadline for the plebescite? Don't hesitate point me to an external reference if I'm recapping too many faqs 03:09:30 No problem. It's mid-May, exact details at http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/PlebisciteCowan (which has been blessed by the Steering Committee, but not yet officially posted) 03:10:04 Reading now, thanks 03:20:45 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:21:16 rrradica_ [~rrradical@209-6-197-118.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #scheme 03:25:04 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 03:30:13 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:33:48 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:41:35 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Quit: MichaelRaskin] 03:44:27 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 03:49:00 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 03:54:09 jarod_ch_ [~jarod_che@115.192.189.165] has joined #scheme 03:54:59 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] 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that the syntactical capacity of procedure calls can't deliver for 17:24:19 like 17:24:38 (define-macro (1+! v) `(set! ,v (+ ,v 1))) 17:24:43 kirr: (define a 0) 17:24:47 (1+! a) 17:24:50 do that as many times as you want 17:24:54 kirr: you couldn't do that with a procedure 17:24:56 that's one example. 17:24:57 there's more. 17:29:09 alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD605A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 17:29:20 i dont really understand the example since i dont know lisp, but could you say that macros defines special forms like is used like this "(define (f x y z) (+ x y z)" while it's proper syntax is this "(define f (lambda (x y z) (+ x y z)))"? 17:30:47 Black0range: you could use a wt-tree, but you would need to write the lookup function yourself 17:31:49 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 17:33:47 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 17:36:15 -!- klrr [~klrr@88.129.149.31] has left #scheme 17:38:09 -!- 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Inserting a variable-reference un-hygienically ? 23:35:43 With syntax->datum and syntax->list I would get the sexp-representation of the code, but what then ?.. Plain eval ? 23:36:14 err, in the environment of the transformer, it may be hard. It may be quite different from the run-time environment. 23:37:46 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:48 I'm thinking there's hardly a way other than eval. I could keep an association-list of "compile-time variables" the user has defined in an analogous "define-in-expander-environment" form though .. that would be half-way clean perhaps. 23:38:53 (define-expander-variable foo value) (expander-do-something-with foo ...) 23:39:33 Very primitive, but perhaps better than to use `eval'. 23:41:45 -!- edw [~edw@207.239.61.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:48:28 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD613CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:23 -!- adiii [~adityavit@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:53:44 alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD613CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:54:14 Hrm, let me ask concretely once more before going to bed: How could I most cleanly define syntax keywords `my-define' and `my-reference', such that after (my-define x y), (my-reference x) expands to y ? 23:54:34 nalaginrut [~nalaginru@183.13.182.28] has joined #scheme 23:55:04 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57:40 taylanub: I don't think it's possible in standard scheme. 23:57:50 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD613CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:57:58 -!- alexei [~amgarchin@p4FD613CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:58:07 taylanub: you could do something like (my-let (x y)  (my-reference x) ) 23:59:00 taylanub: or use implementation specific features. 23:59:13 I think R6RS could do it by importing a phase-1 variable holding a data structure which the syntaxen can mutate, but that's far from clean.