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After all, #t would have the same effect, and T is conventional in CL. 01:02:40 jcowan: syntactic sugar 01:03:01 I think it came from T. 01:04:54 T, the language? 01:05:46 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:49 -!- asumu [~at@racket/asumu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07:40 asumu [~at@2001:470:b:b7:1e6f:65ff:fe23:c3d4] has joined #scheme 01:07:52 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:08:57 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #scheme 01:10:56 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12:44 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 01:13:36 shinypokemon [~stephen@pool-108-46-116-201.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 01:14:30 Let's try that again... 01:14:39 I think ELSE in COND came from T. 01:15:02 I don't know who's the fellow on third base 01:15:49 -!- sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [] 01:16:53 jcowan, hmm, how did you end up in the paredit credits? 01:18:02 I probably made a verbal suggestion here on IRC. 01:18:08 Feel free to take me out if you want to. 01:19:30 No, of course I'm not going to take anything out of the credits. But it's curious to see a stalwart ex troglodyte in the list! 01:19:39 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:21:27 It is indeed. 01:29:56 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 01:31:37 he probably hacked the credits using a magnetized needle and a steady hand. 01:34:24 That sounds eminently jcownesque, yes. 01:34:31 jcowanesque, even. 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R2RS allows ELSE to be a variable, which is what it is in T. 02:31:12 paddymahoney [~paddymaho@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 02:31:29 jcowan_ [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 02:32:18 -!- pothos [~pothos@114-36-228-33.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:49 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:35:12 pothos [~pothos@36-229-162-58.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 02:39:58 -!- karswell` [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:40:54 karswell` [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 02:41:53 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:44:55 Nisstyre: sure, but there's no reason else couldn't just be (define else #t) 02:45:13 this is what Haskell does for 'otherwise' 02:45:53 -!- sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [] 02:47:47 Except that the R5RS and later say it can't be a variable. 02:48:05 And a Good Thing Too, because in R5RS variables can be assigned, which would blow it out of the water. 02:48:12 okay, there is a confusing reason 02:48:29 (set! else #f) 02:48:30 all die 02:48:31 -!- paddymahoney [~paddymaho@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:48:35 -!- jcowan_ [~jcowan@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:38 jcowan_: this is not a problem in r6rs 02:48:48 since imports are immutable 02:50:09 alas, r6rs also has these weird unbound macro keyword things 02:53:31 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 02:54:01 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 02:54:03 -!- tenq [~tenq@ip68-100-228-234.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:54:21 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:54:34 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 03:02:34 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:06:43 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:31 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:16:21 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 03:27:12 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 03:28:59 Is racket (in dracket) any good at making games? I was trying this one game (a bomberman clone) that seemed to be very slow and choppy. 03:33:08 zzing, this is a roundabout answer, but languages and implementations don't make games run fast, optimization does. If the game doesn't run fast, it's because there is optimization left to do, not because Racket is slow. 03:34:05 zzing, that said, Racket (and other languages with the rapid prototyping nature) can make it so easy to get an initial prototype up and running that the hard work of optimization may not seem worth the trouble to the programmer(s), so it may go undone. 03:36:17 gnomon, languages and implementation can make games run fast or slow. For instance, if you try doing 3d graphics in python, you will eventually hit a wall you wouldn't in c++ for a much longer time. That said, I cannot see racket as being any worse than python or java at doing the basic type of game that this is. 03:36:50 zzing: people have made games with Fluxus which is based on Racket 03:37:37 very nice, that pretty much answers my question completely. 03:37:55 zzing, I won't deny that languages and implementations don't factor into the equation; but all they do is make the job of optimization easier or harder. 03:38:16 But in any case, I'm glad you have your answer. 03:38:25 Appreciate the responses :-) 03:38:39 Has anyone made anything like netlogo (which provides for some UI tools and a graphic tile display for AI experiments) 03:38:43 for Scheme 03:39:06 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:54:42 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:55:11 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:27 peterhil 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(using racket) 20:36:24 -!- hiroaki [~hiroaki@77-20-72-92-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:38:53 srfi-1 concatenate 20:39:08 (Whether you want (concatenate list-of-list-of-lists) or (map concatenate list-of-list-of-lists) is up to you.) 20:40:16 -!- masm [~masm@bl18-52-42.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:41:11 Perfect, (apply append mylist) works for this nicely 20:41:48 Of course, 'car' or 'first' will also turn a list of lists of lists into a list of lists. 20:42:33 carleastlund: sure the types match, but that is about it 20:42:47 (lambda (x) '((1 2 3))) will work too! 20:43:36 Boy, those typed language programmers must have it easy. 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