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Can someone help? http://paste.lisp.org/display/136309 06:21:46 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:35 przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has joined #scheme 06:26:55 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 06:26:56 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:04 -!- bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:05 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 06:27:52 Ogre: I think the problem is in your denominator function 06:28:12 you are adding n instead of 1, so you aren't getting the ith odd number, but the ith even number + i 06:29:20 oh, oops. thanks, igp 06:29:23 ijp* 06:29:42 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29:46 bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 06:30:01 also, you didn't have to post an image of the question, the book is available online :) 06:32:47 actually, come to think of it, the online version probably uses pictures for the equations 06:32:52 right. thought it might be a bit more convenient for those trying to help 06:33:12 *ijp* goes back in time, bringing back mathjax 06:38:22 izisf [~izisf@37.191.196.182] has joined #scheme 06:42:55 -!- izisf [~izisf@37.191.196.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:54:01 -!- bjz_ [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:20 bipt [~bpt@2602:306:bcd9:85b0:d4a5:b01e:11ec:678b] has joined #scheme 07:02:45 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 07:03:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:49 -!- lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:25:28 przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has joined #scheme 07:38:54 izisf [~izisf@37.191.196.182] has joined #scheme 07:40:18 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit 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joined #scheme 21:27:50 przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has joined #scheme 21:28:31 that would only really work when a function calls itself 21:28:32 -!- paddymahoney [~paddymaho@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:53 -!- ter3lt [~William@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:35:17 toekutr, implementing general tail call optimization in JS is interesting, since the language itself does not provide that guarantee. Then again, neither does C, and there are numerous techniques for working around that restriction - e.g. have you read up about trampolines? 21:35:39 toekutr, ES6 will have tail calls. 21:38:26 -!- przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:09 As in, properly tail-recursive the way that Scheme is 21:40:26 (You mean it will force implementations to tail-call optimize.) 21:41:32 toekutr: you wouldn't map scheme functions to javascript functions. 21:41:51 So the scheme stack would be different from the javascript stack. 21:41:58 yeah i know about trampolines. i just liked the simplicity of directly translating scheme functions to javascript functions 21:42:27 toekutr, I understand that desire! 21:42:39 taylanub, if it didn't, it would violate the semantics of a subset of valid programs, wouldn't it? 21:42:43 IIRC, javascript allows hacking of the call stack. 21:43:11 pjb: sounds fun, is it portable? 21:43:14 But you would target the asmjs instead of that javascript, so 21:43:32 AFAIK, yes, it is portable. 21:43:46 -!- agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:43:51 (but perhaps I remember wrongly, and only introspection of the call stack is possible). 21:44:29 I got this crazy idea this other day: a Scheme impl in the browser, jitting into asm.js. 21:45:26 gleag: If you consider size-requirements (and the errors you get when these aren't met) as part of a program's semantics, then yes. If you consider RAM to be infinite like it is in the theoretical turing machine, then no, tail-call optimization is a transparent change. 21:45:53 gleag: Isn't that the point of asm.js ? Well, pre-compiled or JIT compiled .. doesn't matter I guess. 21:46:11 Although the latter will require browser support, so it kills the point, doesn't it ? 21:46:43 (The point being that the browser need only support asm.js, and the server can compile whatever language it wants into asm.js before sending it to the client.) 21:47:04 taylanub, not just pre-compilation. AFAIK, most performance gains in modern Schemes are due to the ability to substitute type-specialized code in places where the impl can prove that it's possible to do so. 21:47:05 przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has joined #scheme 21:47:05 if the standard does get proper tail calls that solves the problem. just translate directly into js and let the implemetation optimize it :D 21:47:13 As in, Racket JIT. :-) 21:47:57 taylanub, also, without tail calls, a program with a main loop implemented in tail calls isn't able to run in bounded memory for unbounded time. 21:48:07 That's what I meant about "different semantics". 21:48:23 (You mean without tail-calls being optimized/eliminated.) 21:49:53 Yeah, I've sort of didn't get over the notion ot "tail call" being a property of the call. My bad. It got stuck to me after reading the lambda papers. 21:50:06 "not being the property of the call" 21:50:11 My bad again .:D 21:50:31 Aargs, the first version was right. 21:50:36 Haha. 21:50:38 I'm tired, need sleep 8-) 21:50:44 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 21:51:14 Yes, a tail-call is just a call in tail-position, which you can do in any language that can in general do calls. Whether these tail-calls are optimized to eliminate unnecessary stack-frames is the question. 21:51:23 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 21:53:39 However, that begs the question whether the term "tail call" is actually correct in the first place. 21:53:39 Isn't the term "procedure application" supposed be used when talking about the language level? 21:54:02 That would make it "tail procedure application", with "call" being the machine instruction and "jmp" being another instruction for certain procedure applications. 21:56:33 I think the proper term is "booty call". 21:56:46 *offby1* strongly suspects he has made that joke before, numerous times 22:01:07 -!- przl [~przlrkt@ip-2-202-115-174.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:40 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-254-12.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:02:18 ijp` [~user@host31-53-125-238.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 22:03:07 jao 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