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19:53:35 nothing really yet ... just to learn some basics 19:53:50 there are atoms, such as numbers 1 3.2 "strings" and symbols 19:54:19 and there are lists which are atoms or lists written in parentheses: (a list with five symbols) (1 2 3) (a list containing (another list)) 19:54:38 what is a symbol? a variable? 19:54:47 No, just a symbol. 19:55:01 It's a data type that's specific to lisp. 19:55:14 it's not specific to lisp 19:55:16 It's more like an identifier. 19:55:42 zacts [~lcc@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #scheme 19:56:04 -!- basdirks [~basdirks@5352A1E5.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:56:30 Now, with those sexps, we can represent programs, by writing lists with the operand as first element, and arguments as following elements: (+ 2 3) (if (< a b) "less" "more") 19:57:53 some operators are functions: the arguments are evaluated, and the results are passed to the function as parameters. Eg. + is a function. In (+ (+ 3 4) 3) (+ 3 4) is evaluated, resulting into 7, and then (+ 7 3) is evaluated resulting into 10. 19:58:55 the other operators are macros or special syntax, and they have specific rules. eg. if evaluates the first argument and if it's true, then evaluate the second else the third. So: (if (= 0 0) (display "equal") (display "not")) only displays "equal". 19:59:07 That is all there is to lisp or scheme. 19:59:38 -!- chupish [18b8ecba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.184.236.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:49 ahh. thanks 20:03:01 -!- MiningMarsh is now known as Mining|away 20:04:25 pjb,looks like you need a parens. 20:04:48 (+(+ 3 4) 3) (+ 3 4)) 20:05:00 how do you write a list without a function application? 20:05:54 pjb: hm, i'll shutup now. that may not be what your looking for. 20:07:02 no-n: You can `quote' data in Lisp code, like (quote (foo bar baz)). Shortcut is '(foo bar baz). (The apostrophe.) 20:07:23 ah 20:07:31 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 20:07:33 I remembered it was something to do with ' but I was writing (' 10 10) ;) 20:08:12 (Remember that Lisp code is just a data structure written in the s-expression format, although interpreted as being code, so you use the `quote' special-form to indicate that a piece of the data structure is supposed to be interpreted as literal data, and not more code.) 20:08:14 are there list comprehensions in lisp? 20:08:32 clisp isn't israeli oriented is it? 20:09:02 JohnnyL: It's GPL-licensed free-software, I don't know why it should be oriented on any country or nation. 20:09:11 -!- `26 [~kvirc@gateway/tor-sasl/26/x-07558203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:23 ok i just don't want to support zionism. 20:09:49 `26 [~kvirc@gateway/tor-sasl/26/x-07558203] has joined #scheme 20:10:05 no-n: You mean like `map' and `fold' ? Scheme has some standard ones, and probably a lot of non-standard ones; remember that Scheme is a specification-based language with *many* implementations, and "Lisp" is even more general, merely referring to a family of languages. 20:10:09 JohnnyL: ... 20:12:16 Well without getting into politics (I'm quite ignorant on them anyway), obviously no one will magically profit somehow by you using code that was at some point written and released to the public by them. Maybe excluding the possibility that the wide recognization of their code will make them more famous ? ZOMG 20:15:51 what about ranges? like [0,2..100] in haskell 20:17:07 iota is the closet thing in common use, but it works slightly differently 20:17:12 rudybot: (require srfi/1) 20:17:13 ijp: your sandbox is ready 20:17:13 ijp: Done. 20:17:18 rudybot: (iota 10) 20:17:18 ijp: ; Value: (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9) 20:17:21 rudybot: (iota 10 2) 20:17:21 ijp: ; Value: (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11) 20:17:23 rudybot: (iota 10 2 2) 20:17:24 ijp: ; Value: (2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20) 20:17:40 ah 20:17:56 (iota n ) 20:18:17 -!- `26 [~kvirc@gateway/tor-sasl/26/x-07558203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:53 how do you write a function with optional/default arguments? 20:18:59 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:19:12 in scheme there's no good way 20:19:21 many implementations have extensions to allow that 20:19:33 but the standard is (lambda (x y . all-the-rest) ...) 20:19:46 where all-the-rest gets any additional arguments in a list 20:19:50 and you have to deal with the list 20:19:54 ah 20:20:09 is that what the . means? 20:20:34 in a lambda (or in the (define (foo x y . rest) ...) syntax), yes 20:21:37 -!- metasyntax [~tvenable@proxy5.med-web.com] has quit [Quit: it's the freakin' weekend] 20:22:08 case-lambda is reasonably common, but for the common case of optional arguments you still need a macro for boilerplate removal 20:23:34 no-n: to be honest if you are really interested in scheme, i suggest choosing an implementation and using its features, at least in the beginning 20:23:57 mucking around with rest arguments is not so nice 20:24:07 ok 20:27:35 (response (@ (type "argument") (topic "portability") (position "pro") (effort "token")) "I really wish we didn't have to give out that advice") 20:28:52 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:31:08 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:33:12 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:17 :) 20:37:14 civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has joined #scheme 20:39:35 -!- tertl3 [~William@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:53 heya civodul 20:49:43 hey hey! 20:53:20 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:57:12 jao [~jao@173-164-98-174-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 20:57:16 -!- jao [~jao@173-164-98-174-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:57:16 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 20:58:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-83.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:30 -!- Mining|away is now known as MiningMarsh 21:10:55 brianmwaters [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has joined #scheme 21:11:14 -!- brianmwaters is now known as Guest35512 21:11:27 -!- Guest35512 [41b78511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.183.133.17] has quit [Client Quit] 21:16:36 -!- serhart [~Adium@173-10-225-9-BusName-WestFlorida.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:11 -!- dessos [~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #scheme 21:23:42 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-60-210.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 21:23:46 anybody know any good articles comparing haskell and scheme? 21:25:39 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-189.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 21:25:52 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:26:26 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@i52104.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:27:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-175-189.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:37:29 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-50-156-57-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:38:28 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 21:47:24 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:49:31 -!- MiningMarsh [~MiningMar@199.19.116.207] has left #scheme 21:50:35 JohnnyL: http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/faq.html#faq-menorah-why 21:58:16 no-n: about list comprehensions, I wrote one for someone else a while back, (https://gist.github.com/ijp/4558950), but something like foof-loop is preferrable in general 21:59:46 thanks. I see that chicken scheme has them though (list-of), which is what I'm using 22:05:12 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:06:44 alexFromBelgium [~alex@91.180.186.59] has joined #scheme 22:07:58 Hey smart people, I just joined to say I'm reading through sicp for the second time :D 22:08:43 I makes my brain grow 22:10:24 -!- agumonkey [~agu@17.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:10:37 pkb: apt-get remove clisp 22:11:00 haha 22:11:55 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61091.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:15:51 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:16:45 Why is it the smartest people on this planet get the least appreciation? 22:17:18 (he asked in a scheme irc channel) 22:19:32 why do people ask questions whose purpose isn't to be answered, but to identifier the questioner as part of the group? 22:19:39 identify* 22:20:22 Wasn't why I asked the question... but ok. 22:20:33 Open questions get great answers sometimes 22:21:22 I realized the irony of the question only after I posed it 22:22:34 what schemes do you guys use? 22:22:54 ra 22:22:59 http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations 22:22:59 http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx 22:23:46 -!- samth is now known as samth_away 22:27:07 basdirks [~basdirks@5352A1E5.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #scheme 22:28:51 are macros different than lisp in scheme? 22:29:18 somewhat, yes 22:29:29 ok 22:29:32 thanks 22:29:58 in r[57]rs, macros are declarative, and not capable of performing arbitrary computation. They are also referentially transparent. 22:30:57 *alexFromBelgium* googles referentially transparant 22:30:59 in r6rs, you have procedural macros, and can perform arbitrary computation. (Also referentially transparent by default, though this is at your discretion) 22:36:23 ijp: ty 22:37:41 r5 macros also enforce hygine, which can be good or bad depending your point of view 22:37:53 hygiene 22:39:06 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:13 I got to try out the mzscheme interface in vim 22:39:27 Imagine if scheme was a first class language in vim 22:40:36 Someone needs to marry vim and tmux, and glue it together with scheme 22:41:33 and who's gonna baptize their child ? 22:41:37 lol 22:44:36 it would make an awesome ide though 22:45:23 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:45:51 jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 22:45:53 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:45:53 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 22:47:37 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:53 -!- alexFromBelgium [~alex@91.180.186.59] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53:59 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:57:08 -!- LeoNerd [~leo@fairy.dictatorshipcake.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:51 LeoNerd [~leo@fairy.dictatorshipcake.co.uk] has joined #scheme 22:58:24 -!- edw [~textual@207.239.61.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:00:21 -!- basdirks [~basdirks@5352A1E5.cm-6-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:06:14 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:09:02 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD61091.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:14:20 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:15:26 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17:02 serhart [~Adium@2607:f878:ff00:805d:a4ec:d823:3335:2124] has joined #scheme 23:18:33 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:19:17 hypnocat [~hypnocat@unaffiliated/hypnocat] has joined #scheme 23:19:17 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 23:21:48 -!- serhart [~Adium@2607:f878:ff00:805d:a4ec:d823:3335:2124] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:23:22 taraz [~user@p5B29807F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 23:34:15 agumonkey [~agu@17.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 23:37:09 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:43:02 -!- adiii [~adityavit@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-07.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:45:45 -!- levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:13 levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:52:19 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:53:20 githogori [~githogori@c-69-181-109-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:54:04 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme