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[~user@122-62-124-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #scheme 08:12:51 can I write a compiler for scheme totally in scheme? or do I need to use another language at some point? 08:13:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-81.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:14:04 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-37-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:19:45 yes, you can do that 08:19:52 it is in fact part of SICP 08:20:01 to write your own compiler 08:20:48 snowylike: thanks I didnt know if it was an interpreter or compiler that they made in sicp 08:21:07 both, really 08:21:11 first you write an interpreter 08:21:23 and then you take parts of that and build a compiler with them 08:21:26 can you recommend any other books that are in line with the sicp goals? 08:21:42 well, the little schemer is nice 08:22:10 I am about half way through the little schemer .. on and off 08:23:02 there's also the seasoned schemer 08:23:34 Ill have to have a look for it .. 08:27:37 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I need to escape! 18:27:20 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:27:22 (throw 'gazongues) 18:29:08 Shoulda call/cc'ed 18:29:15 taylanub [tub@p4FD94090.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:35:08 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-241.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 18:36:57 alexei_ [~amgarchin@p4FD6014E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:37:22 langmartin [~user@68.169.175.226] has joined #scheme 18:39:18 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 18:42:35 -!- MehLaptop [~MehLaptop@209.129.115.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:48 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 18:46:18 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:50:11 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.198] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 18:51:21 How do you usually handle interdependent parameters? Example: 18:51:21 #;1> (define foo (make-parameter 'foo)) 18:51:21 #;2> (define bar (make-parameter (foo))) 18:51:21 #;3> (foo 'foo2) 18:51:24 foo2 18:51:28 #;4> (bar) 18:51:31 foo 18:51:35 I'd like bar to yield foo2 at this point. Maybe plain procedures or something like http://paste.call-cc.org/paste?id=dd3606342bbcff69096b91b8dbffb233a5bbbb41 ? 18:51:45 Why do you want interdependent parameters? 18:52:05 The application I work on needs them. 18:53:04 mario-goulart: I don't know if you're using Racket, but if you are, does make-derived-parameter do what you need? 18:53:31 For what? 18:53:40 Riastradh: Example: path parameters composed by path parts which are also parameters. 18:54:02 carleastlund: I'm using chicken. 18:57:49 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:30 jeapostr1phe [~jay@69.169.141.110.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net] has joined #scheme 19:00:14 Riastradh: users may configure those parameters in a configuration file. So, if they configure only a path part, the path which uses that part should not ignore the user settings. For example, my application defines (define base-path (make-parameter "/foo")) and (define log-dir (make-parameter (make-pathname (base-path) "log"))). If users only configure (base-path "/bar"), the application ends up having log-dir => "/foo/log", since 19:00:14 the configuration file is loaded after those definitions. 19:00:50 Well, you could always make the parameters be procedures. 19:00:55 I mean: make the parameters' values be procedures. 19:01:11 Yeah, that's what http://paste.call-cc.org/paste?id=dd3606342bbcff69096b91b8dbffb233a5bbbb41 end up doing. 19:01:11 However, it sounds like parameters might not be the right mechanism here. 19:01:21 Does each of these things invidually need to be dynamically scoped? 19:01:33 -!- nomous [~nomous@78.209.173.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:39 Yeah, I think so. 19:02:22 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:34 Can you have one structure that describes the defaulting mechanism -- `if log dir is not set, set it to base-path concatenated with "log"' -- and one structure for the configuration with parts maybe missing until the defaults are supplied? 19:03:33 Hmm. The problem is that I can't foresee what parameters users would combine. 19:04:15 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 19:07:06 Besides that, I'd need a datatype to represent "not set". 19:07:10 Well, in that case, it sounds like you want to formalize the graph of relations so you can check for cycles and do a graph reduction. 19:10:08 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:10:30 Wouldn't the define-dynamic thing do the trick? 19:11:16 No, because PARAMETRIZE is not necessarily going to work with arbitrary procedures. 19:11:53 Fortunately it does in chicken. :-) 19:12:06 If you really want to use individual parameters, you would probably be best off with 19:12:12 (define foo (make-parameter (lambda () 'foo))) 19:12:19 (define bar (make-parameter (lambda () (foo)))) 19:12:32 (parametrize ((bar (lambda () 'overridden-bar))) ...) 19:12:38 -!- langmartin [~user@68.169.175.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:08 That's what the define-dynamic macro does. 19:13:44 Well, not quite...it doesn't have the same behaviour as parameters, unless parameters are dumber than I thought in Chicken (and no threads are ever going to be involved). 19:14:23 Good point. I omitted the thread behavior, since I'm not using threads. 19:14:48 It also relies on behaviour that Chicken probably doesn't intend to guarantee -- don't be surprised if this code stops working tomorrow because someone changed Chicken to reject non-parameter procedures in PARAMETRIZE! 19:14:49 I'm not actually using parameterize either. 19:14:57 rndnick476 [~user@stgt-5f71beba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 19:15:12 Yeah, also a good point. 19:15:14 If you're not using PARAMETRIZE, why use parameters? 19:15:39 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:15:50 What would be the other option? 19:16:00 (set! variable value)? 19:16:17 Sure, or cells, or records, or anything. 19:16:29 ase [~ase@ip56583baa.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #scheme 19:16:32 The whole point of parameters is that they're dynamically scoped. 19:16:36 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 19:18:15 I actually want a "pointer" semantic for bindings. 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quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:30 -!- permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:03 Hello, I'm looking to learn scheme and I was curious if there were any specific reasons to not start with racket? Going through all the implementations is tedious 23:29:49 casion: on the contrary, racket is very nice for a beginner. 23:30:05 casion: while I am sure there are 'specific' reasons, I would not worry about them if I was you... Racket is a good scheme dialect. 23:30:53 I'm quite familiar with CL and clojure, so it's not a big leap, but reading through scheme literature is quite different in terms of culture it seems 23:31:03 Indeed. 23:31:18 casion: I assume you know http://schemers.org 23:31:23 yeah, SCHEMERs they are 23:31:48 pjb: I do 23:35:26 permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has joined #scheme 23:39:07 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 23:39:44 jao [~jao@24.22.80.19] has joined #scheme 23:39:47 -!- jao [~jao@24.22.80.19] has quit [Changing host] 23:39:47 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 23:40:43 -!- ase [~ase@ip56583baa.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:15 agumonkey [~agu@45.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 23:59:33 dnolen [~user@rrcs-208-105-4-254.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #scheme