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04:00:04 Probably the best way would be if you'd done some real work in both, and then you say "I like CL better for this and there, but Scheme better for the other etc" 04:00:10 of course there are disadvantages. 04:00:28 You average scheme is likely to have less fun libraries available, e.g. 04:01:10 any way to use libs for C/C++? 04:01:10 my hunch is that you haven't done a lot with either, in which case: pick one for the most superficial reasons (i.e., you like its web site), and get some experience with it. 04:01:20 ZC|Mobile: depends greatly on the scheme or lisp. 04:01:35 racket, e.g., has a decent FFI for C. I suspect it'd be difficult to use with C++ though. 04:01:57 Scheme is looking a little better to play with atm just because it looks like a simpler language 04:02:16 and I have a copy of SICP, and not Practical Common Lisp 04:02:24 there ya go. 04:02:45 I hear that MIT scheme works well with SICP, but I haven't tried it 04:02:50 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:24 I just like to ask members of the community a few questions, partly to get an idea on how active the community is and to get some info 04:03:52 well, racket is fairly lively -- probably the liveliest of all the lisps except Clojure (but you didn't ask about Clojure :-) 04:04:20 I'm just getting somewhat introduced to the world of Lisp 04:04:20 -!- FRSHPRNCFBLR [noone@CPEbcc81001de0a-CMbcc81001de07.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:04:57 If you just wanna play around, racket is great (it's also fairly good for real-world stuff too, I hear); but if you're serious about getting stuff doing Real Work, look at Clojure 04:05:08 why Clojure? 04:05:38 because people are using it for Real Work 04:05:49 which is a Very Unusual Thing For Lisps®© 04:06:55 I remember reading about CL that the language was maleable enough that one could implement just about anything using just about any method or concept they wanted to. Is that something Scheme handles just as well? 04:07:29 I'd say so 04:07:47 roughly speaking, I think that meant that CL has lexical closures and macros; Scheme has those too. 04:08:06 Also some schemes -- like racket -- have a more-sane module system (CL's is weird, iirc) 04:08:12 So that would be a strength of the lanugage family moreso than a strength of a specific member? 04:08:16 correct. 04:08:43 if you like living on the cutting edge, and being in a truly tiny minority: try Paul Graham's "arc". 04:09:22 -!- Razz [~tim@kompiler.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:09:26 arc? 04:10:08 *offby1* nods gravely 04:10:18 What is arc? 04:10:38 I myself think pg is a wonderful writer, and he's written tons about Lisp -- he wrote two unusually-good textbooks about CL 04:10:50 oh, arc is yet another new Lisp. 04:10:54 nobody uses it :) 04:11:35 I care less about community size (as long as I can get some help if I need it), and more about what I can do 04:11:50 well, to me, "what I can do" means: decent-sized libraries. 04:12:05 i.e., arc for a long time didn't have any HTTP client stuff. 04:12:07 this discussion is interesting me, i currently have a choice to make about to use to make a series of simple (but not enitrely static) websites :-) 04:12:09 might still not 04:13:18 I'm still learning (which is probably obvious), and so far my experience has been with C 04:13:45 I'm not terribly interested in massive libs that do everything for me 04:13:50 pyro-: I only really know about racket, but it's got pretty good web-server stuf 04:13:51 f 04:13:56 ZC|Mobile: ooh, I am :) 04:14:38 I'm more interested in something where I can write a program without having to attempt to fight against the language to do something I want to do 04:14:41 yeah the webserver is great 04:14:49 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #scheme 04:14:50 I've used it on a moderately large program 04:15:07 ZC|Mobile: that is Racket, to me at least 04:15:16 it has very little that gets in your way 04:15:39 ok, ty 04:16:09 offby1: why would you recommend Arc? 04:16:26 Nisstyre: because ZC|Mobile might find it interesting. 04:16:41 what does Arc have to offer that Racket doesn't? 04:16:47 in terms of interestingness 04:16:59 I dunno. It's a different approach. 04:17:01 I mean, I'm not saying Arc sucks. I've never used it. 04:17:02 Minimal. 04:17:10 I do know that it was implemented with Racket 04:17:23 fair enough 04:20:20 thanks for the tip offby1 :-) 04:22:59 Razz [~tim@kompiler.org] has joined #scheme 04:26:18 Frob grovel full lexical mumble! 04:26:30 wait, _full_? 04:26:41 I haven't done a full lexical mumble since school. 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like it should be enough. 14:07:40 will give it a try thank you :) 14:09:12 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 14:09:39 The standard rules are quite simple. ("Strings are written as sequences of characters enclosed within doublequotes ("). A doublequote can be written inside a string only by escaping it with a backslash (\) -- A backslash can be written inside a string only by escaping it with another backslash. Scheme does not specify the effect of a backslash within a string that is not followed by a ... 14:09:45 ... doublequote or backslash.") 14:13:01 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@108-222-198-111.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 14:13:54 -!- Icarot [~Icarot@c-50-143-133-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:14:35 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #scheme 14:17:23 -!- leppie [~lolcow@105-236-92-117.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [] 14:17:52 Icarot [~Icarot@c-50-143-133-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 14:23:47 leppie [~lolcow@105-236-92-117.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 14:26:50 carado [~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0] has joined #scheme 14:27:15 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:28:23 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 14:28:32 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has 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