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[~user@stgt-5f719880.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 14:13:56 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 14:23:01 b4283 [~b4283@1-173-96-33.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 14:25:00 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:25:43 Black0range [~Black0ran@c83-191-74-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 14:26:23 Hey guys I have crazy idea for the company I am working with I just need to see what you guys think of it! :) 14:27:17 We are simply going to make a program that scans through the web for images and look for certain patterns, the problem is that we're not very high budget at the moment 14:27:57 carado_ [~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0] has joined #scheme 14:27:58 so what if i make a raspberry pi cluster of say 100-200 devices instead of a one "super server" 14:28:50 where each raspery pi does one scanning session each and all of them are coordinated by a few devices 14:30:09 jrajav 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raspberry pi because then we get many units that can do many diffrent tanks at the same time 15:07:40 say unit 1 scans url-1 while unit 2-scans url 2 15:07:57 normal computers can actually multitask too these days 15:08:04 since the development of multitasking operating systems in the late 80s 15:08:14 yes of course 15:08:20 but to get maximum effiency 15:09:30 so instead of say having 16 cores work for a good server (price 3500 dollar for two processors) 15:09:33 80s??!! 15:09:37 Waaaaay earlier than that 15:09:57 My -grandpa- was part of a team that built a multi-processing parallel virtual VM-style machine in.. hrm.. the very end of the 1950s 15:10:08 all multitasking on single core computers are simply simulated 15:11:09 so if you have two cpu demanding tasks on one core the process will go slow 15:11:26 Black0range, one modern desktop has the (general purpose) computing power of about 50 overclocked pis 15:11:27 Are your problems CPU-bound? 15:11:36 mostly 15:11:42 You are doing "web-crawling", so it sounds very IO-bound to me 15:11:43 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD932F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:51 it is going to be both 15:11:57 it is image scanning 15:12:23 so there is going to be a very heavy cpu demanding task going on 15:12:35 So get some bigger CPUs 15:12:41 yes but here is the thing 15:12:49 Raspberry Pi is -really- expensive per actual computing power it has 15:13:01 The CPU on it is -seriously- tiny and underpowered compared to bigger machines 15:13:56 i dont know i dont realy think that one 10000 dollar computer can outpower 200 pi'es 15:14:30 my premature optimization senses are tingling here 15:14:40 do you know you are actually CPU-bound and not IO-bound? 15:14:53 yes 15:15:14 elly: Mine were earlier on, but I didn't want to mention it until I was sure ;) 15:15:28 well honestly the image processing part should realy be done by a graphics card 15:15:55 like, you have actually profiled your task, and it actually is CPU-bound? 15:16:01 or you think it will be 15:16:21 yes i know it will be 15:16:49 have you actually run it in a profiler or something and _seen_ that it is, or are you guessing? 15:16:49 i will look for patterns of pixels in each image 15:17:07 i've not made the code yet no 15:17:35 -!- znode [~znode@59.38.9.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:58 Black0range, you can outpower 200 pis with way less than that :) 15:18:10 basically, I think you are _way_ underestimating how much networks suck :P 15:18:59 hmm guys first thanks for the feedback :) 15:20:37 Before i think futher of this i think i have to do some simple math :) 15:21:56 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:24:10 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:24 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 15:42:06 -!- samth_away [~samth@racket/samth] has 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Then see how many of those tasks you can run simultaneously on a typical desktop CPU. I think you'll find the desktop will win, hands down. 15:59:16 I work with embedded ARM devices all the time. 16:00:05 They are fast for their size and power usage, and they generally have some additional custom hardware for specific tasks, but for general purpose computing they are WAY slower than a modern desktop/workstation CPU. 16:00:14 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:00:37 Dont say these mean words, you are crushing my nerdy dreams :( 16:01:37 i mean how cool wouldn't it be to have a Ginormous pi cluster in the office xD 16:07:16 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-58-190.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 16:11:21 -!- rndnick42 [~user@stgt-5f719880.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:09 civodul [~user@pluto.sophia.inria.fr] has joined #scheme 16:28:12 znode [~znode@59.38.9.11] has joined #scheme 16:32:43 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 16:32:56 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@178.248.248.51] 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