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[~OXO@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #scheme 17:59:17 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60C96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:01:24 -!- dioxirane [~OXO@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:06:48 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:06:58 heya jcowan 18:07:19 how's the committeering? 18:07:25 Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. 18:07:45 We have a perfectly usable draft, and a perfectly usable ratification procedure, and nobody is willing to ACT. 18:08:14 Dead? 18:09:39 jcowan: can't you throw the first rock? 18:09:47 Tried. Not a splash anywher.e 18:09:53 aim for the heads 18:10:10 Emailed each editor and each member of the SC independently. No response. 18:10:17 grrrrr 18:11:01 odd 18:12:15 *jcowan* has been choking on this bolus for a month. 18:12:40 Riastradh: I can't tell if you are sympathetic, gloating, or merely unconcerned. 18:18:45 SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has joined #scheme 18:19:56 That sounds incredibly frustrating. 18:20:21 yeah :-/ 18:20:32 I really like the work so far 18:20:49 maybe some outsiders like us should nag on the list 18:21:04 *LeoNerd* finally gets around to reading Let Over Lambda, and hence, understanding the joke in the name 18:21:26 I have nothing but contempt for that book 18:21:31 Hah 18:21:40 jcowan: Assume dictatorial powers; declare the draft to be ratified. That ought to wake them up. 18:21:46 I see it on my colleague's desk over there! 18:21:46 Well, it does set out to be mostly a CL book, not a Scheme book 18:22:39 levi: The next step is a ratification plebiscite. Pretty high-handed even for a dictator to declare the outcome of a plebiscite in advance. More Communist than authoritarian, I'd say. 18:24:43 rename it to the 7th Manifesto of the United Schemers of the World while you're at it 18:24:53 oh wait the 8th 18:24:54 united schemers?? 18:24:55 I suppose you've got some sort of pesky quorum rules in there, too. 18:24:58 not likely 18:25:01 hah 18:25:11 well, if the dictator^Wdear leader declares it 18:25:29 then united we are! 18:26:20 *DerGuteMoritz* puts some square brackets in his let forms to demonstrate goodwill 18:26:58 Heretic! 18:27:09 Comrade! 18:28:01 No quorum rule, but 85% of registered voters must vote Yes for ratification to happen. 18:28:34 Here's the relevant part of the WG1 charter: 18:28:36 The work products developed by working group 1 will be submitted to the Steering Committee for endorsement. The Steering Committee will work with working group 1 to seek maximum possible timely consensus on the work products. In considering whether to endorse the work products, the Steering Committee will consider whether the work products meet the charter requirements, as well as the level of support that they enjoy. 18:28:36 If formal objections remain at this time, the Steering Committee may choose to put the question of whether some or all work products satisfy charter requirements to a representative electorate. If the Steering Committee puts the question to an electorate, and concludes that less than 85% of the electorate consider the work products to meet the charter requirements, then the work products will not be endorsed. 18:28:37 If the Steering Committee believes that support could be increased by revising work products in response to specific objections, then it may request another draft/review cycle of the working group. 18:28:52 [end] 18:29:22 All formal objections have been addressed and all objectors asked if they continue to object. All have either withdrawn their objection or have remained silent. 18:29:36 jcowan, i hope it's not treason to say that on page 11 of draft 9, (let-values (*) ) seems wrong 18:30:02 weinholt: It may well be. What appears to be wrong? 18:30:12 Mining|away [~MiningMar@199.19.116.207] has joined #scheme 18:30:19 well, formals* is just names, there should be expressions too, i think? 18:30:39 right hand sides and all 18:31:42 Triclops256 [~Triclops2@Powder/Developer/Triclops200] has joined #scheme 18:31:48 Yes, I see. 18:36:52 *jaimef* hunts for log parsing examples in scheme 18:37:24 -!- dioxriane [~OXO@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:39:17 jaimef: wingo has one for apache logs 18:39:42 ijp: thanks 18:39:57 https://gitorious.org/guile-clf 18:40:01 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:39 weinholt: draft 9 updated in place 18:44:45 Thanks. 18:44:59 mmc2 [~michal@178-85-58-190.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 18:46:41 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 18:48:03 sure thing 18:48:48 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #scheme 18:50:30 jcowan: a strange way to do things--hell, somebody is always going to 'object' to something. But if no formal objections are outstanding, what's the SC waiting for? Sounds like time to vote it up or down. 18:50:54 I have no idea what they are waiting for, that's the trouble. 18:51:05 All attempts of mine to get them to act have been met with a blank wall of silence. 18:53:02 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 18:59:10 jcowan: I'm assuming the rest of the WG have voiced "we've done our bit, now let's get on with it". Maybe it will require members of the wider scheme community to tell the SC "it's time". If enough do so, maybe it would have some effect? 18:59:35 It certainly couldn't have less effect that anything else has so far. 18:59:44 So yes, I favor anything that will get them off their butts. 19:00:16 However, the WG have not *voiced* their feeling of completion, merely acted on it by doing nothing. Same story. 19:03:19 Well if some of them would politely say, "what now?" to the SC it might get their attention. At least the SC *should* appreciate their investment of time and energy in the project... 19:03:42 -!- noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:06:10 githogori [~githogori@c-69-181-110-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:07:52 noam [~noam@213.57.201.130] has joined #scheme 19:11:20 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 19:17:50 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 19:18:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-45.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:35:29 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:35:47 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 19:40:13 -!- Triclops256 [~Triclops2@Powder/Developer/Triclops200] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:40:18 jao [~jao@173-164-98-174-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #scheme 19:40:22 -!- jao [~jao@173-164-98-174-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:40:22 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 19:41:17 Triclops256|away [~Triclops2@199.19.116.207] has joined #scheme 19:41:40 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 19:41:41 -!- Triclops256 [~Triclops2@199.19.116.207] has quit [Changing host] 19:41:41 Triclops256 [~Triclops2@Powder/Developer/Triclops200] has joined #scheme 19:41:57 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:59 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD9333C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:19 jrapdx: Well, by all means begin with yourself: send the Steering Committee an email. Their names appear at http://scheme-reports.org/2009/announcement.html and their email addresses are readily found by googling. 20:06:03 jcowan, oh, sorry, I was distracted earlier. I don't know what I'd be gloating about, but I'm not using Scheme enough right now to sensibly exert any influence on the process. Every few months I'll fix something or implement something in MIT Scheme (I was prompted to fix EQV? on flonums recently, but haven't finished that), but that's not enough to warrant participation. 20:06:43 Time to run off now! 20:06:48 Thanks. 20:07:51 That said, it would be nice if the steering committee responded. I can poke them if you'd like, but I'm not sure exactly what to poke them about (`jcowan is blocking on you; what's up?'?). 20:08:01 (some of them) 20:08:12 *poof* 20:10:49 Riastradh: Thanks, that would be very helpful. 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FLAME AWAY.] 20:41:43 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 20:43:42 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-37-188-230-84.eurotel.cz] has joined #scheme 20:44:01 -!- Mining|away is now known as MiningMarsh 20:47:32 snearch [~snearch@82.113.98.41] has joined #scheme 20:48:19 -!- snearch [~snearch@82.113.98.41] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:49:55 snearch [~snearch@82.113.98.41] has joined #scheme 20:54:32 -!- FRSHPRNCFBLR [~noone@user242-56.wireless.utoronto.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:26 Aperculum [~lauri@85-23-20-41.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #scheme 21:04:40 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:05:19 what is the best reference for all the scheme built-in procedures 21:05:41 things like string-length, string-append et al. 21:05:51 r5rs preferably 21:07:29 wackonline [da68c8b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.104.200.182] has joined #scheme 21:09:56 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:10:11 the best reference for the r5rs is the r5rs 21:11:28 with a clear list of built in functions and explanation what it does 21:11:45 the r5rs has such a list and an explanation for each 21:12:32 you have looked at the r5rs document, right? 21:12:49 -!- `fogus is now known as fogus|gone 21:15:14 I find it a bit confusing 21:15:29 hello ijp, how doing build package in guildhall. 21:15:29 I'll give it another go 21:17:06 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-176-79.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:56 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:19:27 Aperculum: If you're confused about something you can ask a question about it here. 21:20:31 -!- mmc2 [~michal@178-85-58-190.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:21:02 confusion is about the readability of r5rs, but that can be alleviated by reading it a bit more carefully 21:21:24 not anything related to scheme itself particularly :) 21:22:12 hi! any idea how to map function over cyclic list? 21:22:39 Euthy: but thanks for the offer, I'll be sure to come and ask if I encounter a problem :) 21:25:41 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-37-188-230-84.eurotel.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-10.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:27:57 juxovec [~juxovec@ip-37-188-230-84.eurotel.cz] has joined #scheme 21:29:50 -!- snearch [~snearch@82.113.98.41] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:31:16 -!- paddymahoney [~paddymaho@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:19 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 21:35:34 ldionmarcil [~user@unaffiliated/maden] has joined #scheme 21:42:23 saccadewrk [saccadewrk@nat/google/x-bxchzhogxlmggkxv] has joined #scheme 21:42:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-45.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:44:29 -!- agumonkey [~agu@32.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:46:03 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-10.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:04 taylanub [tub@79.217.51.60] has joined #scheme 21:46:56 -!- carleos [~carleos@cm-83-97-243-56.telecable.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:51:57 -!- dtm` [~dtm@adsl-69-110-1-39.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:52:41 agumonkey [~agu@32.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #scheme 21:56:31 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-155-10.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 21:57:19 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@ip-37-188-230-84.eurotel.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:52 Aperculum: If the wording of a Scheme standard is difficult to understand, it's a Scheme issue. 22:01:30 relation: In most cases, 'map' will accept a circular list, though the standard does not guarantee it will. Of course, the result is an infinite loop unless the mapping function makes a non-local exit. 22:01:45 -!- agumonkey [~agu@32.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:01:47 There is no standard function to map a function over a circular list producing another circular list. 22:09:00 jcowan: thanks. and do you think it is hard to implement such function? 22:11:30 Not at all. 22:12:14 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:12:16 You just need to keep hold of two things: the first cons cell of the input, so you can see when you have closed the circle, and the first cons cell of the output, so you can close the circle yourself. You need to handle '() as a special case, belike. 22:15:21 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #scheme 22:16:06 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:29 Technically, () is not a circular list, but it is the nearest analogue in the circular list world to a zero-length circular list. 22:16:58 ijp` [~user@host31-53-120-84.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 22:16:59 -!- ijp [~user@host86-149-108-247.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:19:14 jcowan: thanks. but I have probably used the term circular list incorrectly. Suppose you have this kind of input: #0=(1 () . #1=(2 #0# . #2=(3 #1# 4 #2#))). How would you map over it? 22:20:48 With great pain. 22:21:07 That is not a circular lists but an arbitrary DAG. 22:23:19 jcowan: ok, I have realized that i have to map over circular list. And now the problem looks much, much more easier to solve. thank you very much 22:28:43 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 22:35:41 -!- civodul [~user@32.129.10.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:41:42 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:42:13 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 22:42:58 -!- wackonline [da68c8b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.218.104.200.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:42:58 What's something fun one can do while recovering from a concussion? 22:43:08 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:43:13 tea. 22:46:59 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-137-64.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:47:27 Icarot [~Icarot@c-50-143-133-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:50:37 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-137-64.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #scheme 22:50:58 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 22:58:23 That's a good idea, and I was already planning on it, but making and having tea continuously for a week might be a bit much. 22:59:05 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01:38 Riastradh: The CDC says that eating well is advisable. 23:07:48 Sounds good. We're off to dinner! 23:07:48 *poof* 23:07:54 -!- igorw [~igorw@phpbb/developer/evil3] has left #scheme 23:13:57 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:15:34 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:45 sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 23:24:03 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:40 -!- hopfrog [~quassel@pool-96-236-222-96.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:45 -!- Icarot [~Icarot@c-50-143-133-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:17 -!- carleastlund [~cce@gotham.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: carleastlund] 23:50:48 appleseed [81317ab3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.49.122.179] has joined #scheme 23:51:02 What can't you do with scheme? 23:51:35 juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has joined #scheme 23:51:40 Portability between different implementations, much. 23:55:06 I see, and that issue is absent with other lisp dialogues? 23:56:16 Well, it's a matter of degree. Scheme is not so much a language as a group of languages with a common core. 23:56:17 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@88.103.13.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:57:40 with scheme, you can't win the love of an attractive redhead 23:58:10 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 23:58:12 Untrue! 23:58:47 http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/21290862/2/stock-photo-21290862-attractive-redhead-in-swimming-pool.jpg 23:58:49 http://tinyurl.com/au7zc59 23:59:06 rudybot: hush 23:59:07 jcowan: hush, yates, the grown ups are talking. 23:59:44 rudybot: take that! person not here present 23:59:45 ijp: some functionality that used to be present in slime was moved to contrib/ and has to be specifically loaded in the slime-setup form 23:59:47 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60C96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]