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Now we know your password. 02:07:18 Now if we only knew who you were, and where you banked. 02:09:07 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09:56 that's not a password, it's a code detailing the location of his hidden jewelry cache 02:11:57 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 02:13:26 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 02:23:18 jao [~jao@c-24-22-80-19.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 02:23:22 -!- jao [~jao@c-24-22-80-19.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:23:22 jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 02:34:41 znode [~znode@183.33.168.72] has joined #scheme 02:39:30 William [~William@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 02:39:53 -!- William is now known as Guest84985 02:39:55 -!- znode [~znode@183.33.168.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:40:22 -!- Guest84985 is now known as ter3l 02:41:47 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:45:13 znode [~znode@183.33.168.72] has joined #scheme 02:48:21 -!- znode [~znode@183.33.168.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:56 znode [~znode@173-252-246-219.take2hosting.com] has joined #scheme 02:52:25 znode_ [~znode@183.33.168.72] has joined #scheme 02:56:06 -!- znode [~znode@173-252-246-219.take2hosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:28:10 http://www.bash.org/?244321 03:28:19 :P 03:31:05 ijp` [~user@host86-143-195-114.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 03:33:04 -!- ijp [~user@host31-53-17-26.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:34:46 -!- ijp` is now known as ijp 03:37:56 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:41:04 b4283 [~b4283@1-173-99-206.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 03:41:43 -!- arcfide [1000@c-98-223-194-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:48:56 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #scheme 03:49:05 -!- ijp [~user@host86-143-195-114.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 03:52:52 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:00:45 -!- jao [~jao@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:06:49 adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-246.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:12:23 LeoNerd, I've never exchanged () and [], but I type fewer )'s by using paredit. 04:13:10 -!- ldionmarcil [~user@unaffiliated/maden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:14 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-235-195.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 04:22:18 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:24:00 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 04:30:18 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 04:32:26 -!- amoe_ [~amoe@host-92-26-164-176.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:34:21 amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-96-194.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 04:41:34 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 04:43:00 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:43:11 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 04:45:47 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:46:16 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 04:46:26 Giomancer: I'd seen that one before, but it's brilliant. 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I had installed it on Arch ... 14:15:53 antithesis [~antithesi@195-241-122-4.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #scheme 14:20:07 -!- antithesis [~antithesi@195-241-122-4.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:25 -!- taylanub [tub@p4FD93354.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:28:39 taylanub [tub@p4FD948F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 14:49:40 -!- znode [~znode@14.125.49.128] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:13 znode [~znode@198.98.98.201] has joined #scheme 14:53:15 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.33.178] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:53:47 dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-180-232.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 14:54:57 znode_ [~znode@14.125.49.128] has joined #scheme 14:56:32 -!- znode [~znode@198.98.98.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:58:13 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 15:07:29 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:14 boobalu [~bom@198.187.30.190] has joined #scheme 15:12:18 hello. 15:14:33 would it be faster to write (define (alpha-iter x) (body)) then (define (alpha value) (alpha-iter value)) than (define (alpha value) (define (alpha-iter value) (body)) (alpha-iter value)) 15:14:37 ? 15:15:06 i mean, would the interpreter continously call a procedure (define) inside alpha to define alpha-iter consequently slowing down the function performance? 15:15:18 or would it know how to optmize that? 15:15:57 -!- boobalu is now known as CB-300 15:16:35 CB-300: a compiler should be able to optimize it. An interpreter perhaps not. 15:16:56 pjb are you aware if guile/mit-scheme does optmize that? 15:17:13 I didn't say "must". 15:17:20 guile doesn't optimise away top-level definitions 15:17:39 ijp i see. 15:17:49 -!- Aperculum [~lauri@85-23-20-41.bb.dnainternet.fi] has left #scheme 15:17:50 the other one it would 15:17:52 CB-300: and how is guile or mit-scheme relevant when you start asking a generic question about "the interpreter"? 15:18:36 pjb`: it was a curiosity-question. 15:18:43 in guile 2 you can check with the ,optimize command 15:18:59 CB-300: There's no good answer. 15:20:32 you need to be careful, since eta reduction isn't always valid in an impure language 15:21:01 pjb`: i feel you are a bit upset with my question. are you lacking a bit of action in your life? maybe it is time to go ou and duel with some fat male of your specie for a fat female of your specie? 15:21:25 ijp i see. thanks. 15:23:14 karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #scheme 15:24:12 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-249-221.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 15:24:37 CB-300: I'm not upset with the original question. I'm upset how you change it after the fact. 15:25:05 pjb`: i'm not sure why it has upset you. 15:25:38 If you knew what two implementations did, why did you ask the question? 15:26:30 -!- znode_ [~znode@14.125.49.128] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:35 pjb`: my question was implicitly : do all interpreters optmize top level definitions , scheme interpreters? you said 'perhaps not' so i was wondering whether guile does. 15:26:42 pjb`: i didn't know whether guile does. 15:26:53 i didnt know about mit-scheme either. 15:26:55 Best to ask the implementation-specific people about that kind of question 15:27:02 znode [~znode@178.18.19.209] has joined #scheme 15:27:15 CB-300: ok, so I misread "that" for "if". Sorry. 15:27:18 Random question: #scheme rather than ##scheme? Does this channel have some sort of claim to officiallity? 15:27:20 -!- githogori [~githogori@c-69-181-110-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:28:08 LeoNerd: nope. 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