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Glad, I tell you! 05:14:28 -!- samth_ [~samth@c-50-138-182-196.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:18:28 ChouLin [~user@111.148.195.222] has joined #scheme 05:21:33 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:21:58 rudybot: who are you calling enterprise? 05:21:59 ski: (for what it's worth BDB has an XML layer on top of it if you really want to be enterprise buzzword-compliant) 05:28:24 -!- hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:30:02 hive-mind [~hivemind@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 05:34:12 -!- hive-mind [~hivemind@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:37:51 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:39:36 -!- xenocons [xenocons@mail.bbis.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:42:00 xenocons [xenocons@mail.bbis.us] has joined #scheme 05:42:38 hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 05:42:55 beam me up McCarthy! 05:43:38 *drewc* is trying to make lisp and the enterprise somehow related 05:45:38 in-laws probably 05:45:55 frx [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #scheme 05:46:03 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-138.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:46:28 -!- xenocons [xenocons@mail.bbis.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:47:28 -!- hive-mind [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:48:14 xenocons [~xenocons@mail.bbis.us] has joined #scheme 05:48:23 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 05:48:33 drewc: It's easy, just show how s-expressions embody agile 05:49:13 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.2.47] has quit [Quit: ...] 05:53:17 -!- xenocons [~xenocons@mail.bbis.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:53:31 jrajav: REPL is TDD! 05:54:39 bubo_ [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #scheme 05:55:17 Code is just data? 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Schemes vary, but most of them don't have any. 18:55:20 I was unclear I guess. I mean using lots of identifiers(?) in the DSL. E.g. in the mailing-list there was talk of a regexp-builder. 18:56:03 One could just use a literal list and symbols in it would denote the DSL identifiers, but that would be run-time. 18:57:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF9938.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:58:09 hey guys what is the correct way of doing for example (^ 10 2) ^ doesn't seem to be a correct procedure, and i dont know the correct english wordd :( 18:58:22 Oh, sure. Then it's a question of whether you can do it sanely with syntax-rules or you have to use low-level macros. 18:58:34 Black0range: I think it was `expt' for "exponential." 18:58:39 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF9938.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 18:58:49 Yes. 19:00:09 I think the mailing-list debate was about the requirement of binding identifiers for the "literals" used in syntax-rules. Maybe I should just read what draft 8 says about that. 19:00:14 Black0range: (define ^ expt) 19:01:16 thank you! :) 19:01:51 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.143.240] has quit [Quit: ...] 19:01:58 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 19:02:44 taylanub: More about whether we should bind the standard ones like else, =>, etc. 19:02:50 It's a tradeoff. 19:04:28 second question! how would i make a number such as 1.373e10 to show the entire number? :) 19:04:54 System-dependent. 19:04:59 What Scheme are you using? 19:05:08 Draft 8 says a literal will only match if the input identifier has the same binding as the identifier used in the macro, or both are unbound. So no way to make my macro literals take precedence ? I was planning to use e.g. `vector' in my DSL. 19:05:31 jocwan: gambit 19:07:06 You mean as a main syntax keyword or an auxiliary keyword? 19:07:21 There should be no trouble using it as a syntax-rules auxiliary keyword. 19:07:24 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:22 -!- Black0range [~Black0ran@5-15-173-123.residential.rdsnet.ro] has left #scheme 19:10:00 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@62-47-136-161.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:03 What's a syntax-rules auxiliary keyword ? I see no mention in the R7RS. 19:10:23 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:10:43 taylanub: (syntax-rules (keyword1 keyword2) ...) 19:13:26 Oh OK, the literals .. Well it says "An element in the input matches a literal identifier if and only if it is an identifier and either both its occurrence in the macro expression and its occurrence in the macro definition have the same lexical binding, or the two identifiers are the same and both have no lexical binding." 19:14:05 Yes, which is about recognition of such literals. The fact that the literal is or isn't bound outside the macro doesn't matter. 19:14:20 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-133-188.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 19:14:21 Or rather, it matters when we are trying to use the same literal in two different unrelated macros. 19:14:31 foof can explain this much better than I 19:15:22 Hrm, so if I use `vector' in my literals and in my template, but not in the macro output, and it's bound to the standard `vector' while I'm defining my macro, and the user uses my macro in an environment where `vector' is again bound to the standard one, it will work ... 19:15:41 Which is funny because it will be a reference to the `vector' procedure even though I'm using it purely for syntactic reasons ? 19:18:05 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 19:19:42 jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-133-188.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:24:36 -!- przl 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I'm running mit scheme and it tells me nil is unbound. any ideas? 21:36:47 -!- SeySayux [SeySayux@libsylph/developer/seysayux] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:37:17 '() 21:37:18 nil is not part of scheme 21:37:48 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 21:38:24 odd, why is it in sicp then? 21:38:52 -!- bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 21:38:57 SeySayux [znc@libsylph/developer/seysayux] has joined #scheme 21:39:25 ok, it's an old book. got it. 21:39:29 sicp does not describe the current scheme standard 21:39:42 (define nil '()) 21:41:39 juxovec [~juxovec@62-47-136-161.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #scheme 21:42:28 -!- juxovec [~juxovec@62-47-136-161.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:49 bjz [~brendanza@125.253.99.68] has joined #scheme 21:44:06 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 21:44:33 -!- GlenK [~GlenK@vpn.lax-noc.com] has left #scheme 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