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01:00:55 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:12 acarrico [~acarrico@pppoe-68-142-36-178.gmavt.net] has joined #scheme 01:12:07 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:12:36 -!- Aune [~Arne@h-152-28.a163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 01:16:54 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #scheme 01:34:39 Expand `algebraic' pattern matching? 01:35:49 Is what you want? 01:42:50 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 01:49:36 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 01:54:18 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:54:43 Riastradh, yes, that'll do nicely thanks ^_^ 02:02:34 -!- dgee519 [~dgee519@news.univ.kiev.ua] has left #scheme 02:07:20 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:09:25 cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-83-77.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 02:13:35 -!- Oejet [~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:17:01 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 02:22:04 lemur693 [~bpurcell@50.9.60.93] has joined #scheme 02:24:59 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 02:26:04 -!- lcc is now known as zacts 02:30:25 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:34:35 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-143-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:49:10 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:56:13 -!- mmc [~michal@178-85-64-28.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:03:35 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:27 -!- Tau [~Euler@186-194-42-207.i-next.psi.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:11:17 -!- jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16:46 amoe [~amoe@host-92-26-175-79.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 03:19:20 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 03:19:48 -!- amoe_ [~amoe@host-78-147-156-134.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:19:52 -!- lcc is now known as zacts 03:22:10 yu [~Euler@186.194.52.192] has joined #scheme 03:22:29 tali713 [~user@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 03:23:00 -!- cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:37 -!- ijp [~user@host86-128-177-187.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: The garbage collector got me] 03:26:06 cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #scheme 03:27:45 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc04-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:32:59 -!- dort [~ni@c-66-30-141-98.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:33:11 -!- cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:34:21 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #scheme 03:37:13 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [] 03:38:59 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:42:49 rmathews [~roshan@122.164.158.91] has joined #scheme 03:44:01 -!- cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:44:34 jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #scheme 03:46:43 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #scheme 03:49:23 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.146.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:49:50 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:50:34 cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #scheme 04:05:16 -!- cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06:22 -!- lemur693 [~bpurcell@50.9.60.93] has left #scheme 04:06:26 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #scheme 04:09:05 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.158.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:09:26 BlehTM [~chatzilla@res55556692.rh.rit.edu] has joined #scheme 04:11:35 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 04:13:36 -!- cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:14:43 Hm so I'm just trying to get Scheme working. I try the tutorial by typing ctrl+h t. But it fails saying "The object $f, passed as the first argument to %record-def, is not the correct type." 04:14:53 Sorry, #f 04:15:48 To my surprise there were no results on google for the error 04:16:01 I'm using the windows binary off http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/ 04:16:14 Is this their error or am I missing something stupid? 04:18:31 windows 8 by the way, maybe that has something to do with it 04:18:33 Sounds like an `oops' to me. Does Edwin pop up a debugger window with a stack trace? 04:19:09 Could be. I don't know whether anyone has ever tried MIT Scheme on Windows 8 before. As far as I know there's only one developer who makes sure it works at all on Windows, and only irregularly. 04:20:46 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #scheme 04:21:48 http://i.imgur.com/kyCbBCI.png 04:21:50 It does exactly that 04:22:09 no debugger window 04:22:47 Try typing `M-x set-variable RET debug-on-internal-error RET #t RET', and then hitting `C-h t' again. 04:24:24 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 04:24:31 Will do, trying to sort out what keystrokes I need to do that 04:25:05 `M-x' means `hold down Meta (or Alt) and then type ``x'' '; RET is return/enter, whatever is to the right of your semicolon key; `#t' is exactly that, `#' and then `t'. 04:25:40 alright 04:25:44 thanks 04:25:48 did you perhaps mean #f? 04:26:03 No, I meant #t -- this will make a debugger appear. 04:26:07 alright 04:26:15 The default is #f, which means internal errors will be reported as you saw, with no stack trace. 04:26:18 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:26:26 -!- preflex_ is now known as preflex 04:28:09 http://i.imgur.com/vw64B5E.png 04:29:09 Can you hit C-n once, show me the result, and hit C-n again, and show me the result? 04:30:56 Also, can you switch back to the REPL buffer (C-x b *scheme* RET) (here `*scheme*' means just that, `*' `s' 'c' `h' ...), and then type (pp (merge-pathnames "TUTORIAL" (default-homedir-pathname))) and hit `C-x C-e' afterward, and show the output? 04:31:35 (I think I know what the problem is, but I want to confirm my hypothesis.) 04:33:37 1: http://i.imgur.com/jx2W0WG.png 2: http://i.imgur.com/cX575Wa.png 3: http://i.imgur.com/jHWfw7L.png 04:33:46 Thanks, just a moment. 04:36:21 Looks like you didn't get switched to the REPL buffer; after you type `C-x b *scheme* RET' (that is, control-x, b, *, s, c, h, and so on), does the penultimate line at the bottom say `Edwin: *scheme*', or does it still say `*debug*' and stuff? 04:36:42 None of those 3 images have it switched to the REPL buffer yet 04:36:48 Oh, OK. 04:36:53 Here's the output after switching: http://i.imgur.com/AS25FRC.png 04:37:09 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD6041F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:38:13 Oops... 04:38:17 Hit `n', and then: 04:38:19 (ge '(edwin)) 04:38:34 [...and then hit `C-x C-e', and...] 04:38:40 I'm waiting for you to delete my system32 :P 04:38:43 (pp (merge-pathnames "TUTORIAL" (default-homedir-pathname))) 04:38:47 [and C-x C-e again] 04:39:21 Heh. None of the code I gave you touches your file system, or has any destructive effect except to change the state of your Scheme instance by putting text in the Edwin buffer. 04:39:53 Anyway, I see the bug which causes the cryptic error message -- it happens if the file containing the tutorial data is messed up. 04:39:55 haha 04:39:57 http://i.imgur.com/rN9yaI0.png 04:40:38 Do you have a file C:\users\trevor\tutorial? 04:40:43 Hmm... 04:40:50 Actually, that's kind of weird. 04:40:54 it doesn't exist 04:41:23 Oh! I was looking at the wrong code. 04:41:28 (pp (edwin-tutorial-pathname)) 04:41:41 ...or just 04:41:45 (edwin-tutorial-pathname) 04:41:50 and show me the one line it reports. 04:41:56 -!- cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:42:27 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #scheme 04:43:20 http://i.imgur.com/xNuOPm3.png 04:43:38 If I browse to that location a file named TUTORIAL is there (no extension) 04:44:32 What's in it? (Should be a plain text file, so you can open it with Notepad -- or even Edwin: type `C-x C-f C:\prog...') Does it look like an Edwin tutorial? 04:44:50 doubt it's of significance, but i'll mention anyway it has a modification date of 2009 while everything else is 2011 04:44:56 i'll check one sec 04:45:39 Well it looks like a tutorial 04:46:22 -!- jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46:36 The modification date of 2009 is not surprising; that's when someone last changed it. 04:46:42 yeah 04:46:58 As for why this particular thing in MIT Scheme is failing...that's a little weird. 04:47:21 Try this, just to be sure: switch to the TUTORIAL buffer (C-x b TUTORIAL RET), kill it (C-x k RET), and then try opening the tutorial again (C-h t). 04:48:25 usual error 04:48:43 Well, that's weird. And if you switch to the TUTORIAL buffer, is there anything there? 04:49:10 Is it alright that I've restarted Edwin or will that mess up our experiment? 04:49:34 (I have no idea how this software works) 04:50:19 For my last experiment -- killing the tutorial buffer and retrying -- I want you to do it in an Edwin where you've already tried to open the tutorial and it failed. (That is, I want to see whether trying to open it a second time works.) Otherwise, restarting Edwin is OK. 04:50:41 -!- cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:51:40 Ok. Nothing in the buffer as far as I can tell. 04:51:48 You know what I should do? Restart my computer. 04:51:57 Hmm, OK. 04:52:16 If you'd like to restart your computer, go ahead -- but I imagine it's probably a bug in the combination of Edwin and Windows 8. 04:52:31 Ok 04:52:39 Well I'll restart to be safe anyway. I'll be back. 04:53:12 cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has joined #scheme 04:54:44 -!- BlehTM [~chatzilla@res55556692.rh.rit.edu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 04:58:01 BlehTM [~chatzilla@res55556692.rh.rit.edu] has joined #scheme 04:58:08 no dice! 04:58:23 Just to confirm -- when you open the TUTORIAL file separately, is there a line a couple paragraphs in that says `<>'? 05:00:22 Yeah it's there 05:00:59 Can you open the file with Edwin normally, using C-x C-f? (C-x C-f C:\Prog...) 05:03:11 -!- cibs [~cibs@218.211.32.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:03:12 It seems to know the file exists. The black bar at the bottom reads 05:03:14 ----Edwin: tutorial (Fundamental)----All--------- 05:03:28 But it doesn't display the contents 05:03:34 The rest of the screen is blank 05:04:03 Yeah, looks like a bug in Edwin on Windows 8. 05:04:27 -!- jcowan [~John@mail.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:28 cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #scheme 05:05:43 Alright so it is, thanks for the help 05:05:59 I am no longer lost and confused 05:06:01 I'm about to commit a fix for the bad error message, at least. 05:15:06 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:25:12 -!- confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28:29 -!- cibs [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28:52 confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 05:31:34 Riastradh 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If you do try PLT, use its native module system. Don't limit yourself to R6RS. 11:30:28 rudybot: what do you think about racket? 11:30:29 pessoa: by the way, geiser builds find for me on debian squeeze, and supports guile and racket. I'm not really competent to say if it is any good... 11:31:05 rudybot: what do you think about guile? 11:31:05 pessoa: http://chicken.wiki.br/eggref/4/sdl and according to that page so does guile 11:31:35 rudybot: what do you think about chicken? 11:31:36 pessoa: Aside from maybe chicken. 11:32:04 rudybot: what do you think about bigloo? 11:32:04 pessoa: jyaan, how does chicken compare to bigloo? or have you used bigloo? 11:33:00 rudybot: bigloo is a bit overrated 11:33:01 pessoa: I don't think Bigloo is based on the JVM 11:33:05 rudybot: Have you got any useful opinions? 11:33:06 fds: let's get buy-in from people of all opinions, not just the majority 11:34:28 rudybot: the jvm is the bane of all good software engineering 11:34:29 pessoa: IE is the bane of every web developers existence, tali713 11:36:02 rudybot: do you think scheme should be used as a client side language in web development? 11:36:03 pessoa: Oh, it's over Emacs development. 11:37:58 rudybot: do you think scheme has got the potential to replace emacs lisp? 11:37:59 pessoa: [2] potential material for violin-strings, 11:38:49 rudybot: are violin-strings mutable or immutable? 11:38:50 pessoa: [2] potential material for violin-strings, ..[Type ,more] 11:38:59 ,more 11:40:38 rudybot: what do you think about r3rs? 11:40:38 pessoa: mzscheme works, too, but you'll have to take steps to force it into pure R5RS compliance mode. 11:42:23 rudybot: what do you think about r5rs 11:42:23 pessoa: as nil is uknown in r5rs 11:43:01 rudybot: do you think #f is a better idea than nil? 11:43:02 pessoa: That's right. Although (cons 1 2) yields a pair, the cdr of that pair is not a list (2 is neither nil nor a pair whose cdr is a list), so the pair that (cons 1 2) yields is not a list. 11:45:27 rudybot: what do you think about r4rs? 11:45:28 pessoa: reads about r6rs exceptions; reminded of the stupidity of r6rs module versions 11:46:30 rudybot: what do you think about module systems? 11:46:31 pessoa: I also actually expect to find more support for the module approach than for the flags approach. 11:47:06 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 11:47:30 rudybot: what do you think about fexprs? 11:47:31 pessoa: Or no, actually I'm wrong: setting CAR to a procedural value won't work, because we won't know if it's an expr, a fexpr, or a macro. Yes, both fexprs and CL-style macros. 11:48:17 b4283 [~b4283@1-172-80-51.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 11:48:25 rudybot: what do you think about hygenic macros? 11:48:26 pessoa: i'm not sure what you mean by "assuming good programming", but i think there's a lot more you can do with hygenic systems 11:49:42 rudybot: what do you think about defmacro? 11:49:43 pessoa: IIRC, he sometimes answers macro questions on c.l.l with `defmacro'. 11:50:30 rudybot: what do you think about first class continuations? 11:50:31 pessoa: As a result, SISC is a full implementation of R5RS. None of the halfway compromises of TCO and reentrant continuations that native JVM code emitters suffer. 11:51:24 rudybot: what do you think about the JVM? 11:51:25 pessoa: The JVM is a perfectly good one. 11:51:57 rudybot: what do you think about newlisp? 11:51:59 pessoa: newlisp you guys! 11:53:59 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05:07 rudybot: what do you think about eval? 12:05:08 pessoa: emacs --eval does no such thing. 12:05:30 rudybot: what do you think about tail call optimisation? 12:05:35 pessoa: custom dsl for optimisation problems 12:06:01 rmathews [~roshan@122.164.137.77] has joined #scheme 12:06:25 rudybot: what do you think about lexical scoping? 12:06:27 pessoa: according to some allegedly smart guy on emacs-devel HOFs in elisp are tricky because of dynamic scoping 12:07:09 rudybot: what do you think about garbage collection? 12:07:11 pessoa: "After having read Douglas Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, Bach, a copy of which Ivins had tossed in the garbage can, the FBI concluded that Ivins had hidden either the message "FNY" or "PAT" in his letter. Of course, the FBI misunderstood GEB, interpreting a whimsical demonstration of Cantor's diagonal argument for a steganographic how-to. Even Hofstadter himself says that the supposed connection was a "red herring."" 12:07:49 jaaso [~user@178.239.31.147] has joined #scheme 12:08:26 rudybot: what do you think about fluids? 12:08:27 pessoa: hm.. Scheme48's approach of just keeping a separate list of fluids seems .. easier? 12:09:08 rudybot: what do you think about syntax-case? 12:09:09 pessoa: If I were you, i would start with learning how Scheme works, and then learning SYNTAX-RULES, which will introduce you to hygienic macros, and then you can see how SYNTAX-CASE extends that. 12:11:00 rudybot: what do you think about drscheme? 12:11:01 pessoa: There's some other boolean flags etc, which correspond to various options in the DrScheme language dialog. 12:14:40 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 12:18:26 -!- spobat [~spobat@p5B2DE32E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20:51 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.147] has left #scheme 12:24:21 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has joined #scheme 12:31:50 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 12:32:09 -!- tps_ 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pessoa: Every time I save a python file, execute a shell command on it. 19:07:38 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:52 -!- copumpkin is now known as randomguy123 19:08:06 -!- randomguy123 is now known as copumpkin 19:08:50 rudybot: python is too heteroiconic for my skills 19:08:51 pessoa: any native speakers of that language might be forced to develop some serious skills in number theory 19:09:18 rudybot: do you know any native python speaker? 19:09:19 pessoa: sorry, that suggestion was beat buy the guy who suggested transcoding the data into beeps via the pc speaker and then recording them and decoding them using audio software 19:09:48 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 19:11:23 rudybot: do you any know other homoiconic languages besides scheme and lisp? 19:11:24 pessoa: hey, Tcl is homoiconic and has tremendous support for metaprogramming ... plus a live ecosystem that most Schemes could only dream of. But as I said, maybe I'm just odd :) 19:11:27 jaaso [~user@178.239.31.147] has joined #scheme 19:11:50 rudybot: tcl is dead, bro 19:11:50 ijp: oh, inferior tcl is great too 19:12:01 crazy bot 19:12:16 -!- Hafydd [~Hafydd@unaffiliated/joo] has left #scheme 19:12:32 rudybot: I still like to use Snobol, because of its greats pattern matching 19:12:33 pessoa: those are the four or five organ greats that I know of. 19:13:07 pessoa: anyway, if you want to chat with rudybot, you might want to take it to a /query 19:13:48 oops, there are actually people here ... haven't been for hours ... 19:14:24 There are always people here, even if we're sometimes quiet. 19:15:15 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:16:02 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 19:20:02 amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD6111F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #scheme 19:21:22 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h94-75-50-175.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:55 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #scheme 19:24:09 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 19:44:23 foof: what does SEXP_USE_NTPGETTIME mean to chibi-scheme? I can find no source mentions of it 19:46:12 Heheh. 19:46:18 I bet it's about getting a TAI clock instead of a POSIX clock. 19:47:39 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-64-28.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 19:48:35 -!- karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:48:46 -!- tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: tps_] 19:48:47 -!- BlehTM [~chatzilla@res55556692.rh.rit.edu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 19:48:56 See . 19:48:57 http://tinyurl.com/3zoox2z 19:51:28 Riastradh: haha, oh wow 19:51:35 I thought POSIX time was simpler 19:52:30 good heavens, that's awful 19:52:34 I did too. It's a bummer. 19:53:09 I was under the (evidently mistaken) impression that the posix time was equal to S(t) 19:57:03 hrm... is there a reason why chibi's sexp_save_image() isn't available from inside the language? 19:57:15 it'd be like a superpowered callcc :) 20:01:59 tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #scheme 20:05:27 HG` [~HG@wprt-4db6d94c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 20:07:58 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.147] has left #scheme 20:09:22 *ijp* <3 rants in comments 20:11:19 ijp: http://www.leptoquark.net/~elly/netcat-comments.txt 20:12:30 nice 20:13:04 I think I've managed to forget most of the sockets problems through sheer force of will 20:13:24 -!- rage [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Quit: The trouble with fiction is that it makes too much sense. 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