00:00:56 haha, yes, I'm just a "legitimate businessman" over here. 00:01:08 Schemism being the philosophy of writing in Scheme. 00:01:26 (je suis schemiste, tendance Groucho) 00:02:08 -!- ase [~se@ip56583baa.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:38 If the language had been called Schemer as originally intended, we'd all be Schemerers, a much barbaricker expression. 00:05:02 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:09:25 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-63-237.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: The Garbage Collector got me...] 00:12:00 jcowan: are you serious that that was originally intended? 00:12:05 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.1.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:12:35 Yes, in the line of PLANNER and CONNIVER. 00:12:40 elly: Yes, after Planner and Conniver. The six-letterism became SCHEME rather than SCHEMR, no one remembers why. 00:13:08 that's a really awful language name :P I'm glad it became Scheme 00:13:11 elkng: Don't forget also that a "Schemataster" is an inferior Schemer, by analogy with poetaster, &c.; see . 00:13:27 Or maybe "Schemaster"? 00:14:11 An inferior Schemer? Hmmm...shouldn't that be a CMU Schemer, according to Emacs anyway? 00:14:32 Heh; good one. 00:16:42 At CMU we have CMUCLheads. 00:17:15 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 00:18:02 If MIT Scheme is not used at MIT, then is CMUCL used at CMU? 00:18:25 MIT Scheme is used at MIT. 00:18:28 CMU? is that a Steel Bank? ;) 00:18:43 Carnegie is the Steel and Mellon was the Bank. 00:19:46 therefore SBCL is an offshoot of CMUCL. 00:19:48 *drewc* used CMUCL after clisp and before SBCL ... 10 years ago... but never attended CMU, or MIT as a student for that matter. 00:21:38 and CCL is an offshoot of MCL? and ECL/GCL/KCL ... oh my ... if there are so many lisps, they all should have a standard for what is in Common between them! 00:22:59 *drewc* will not get into RRS grumbling, no worries :P 00:23:13 enoch_r [~textual@12.248.40.138] has joined #scheme 00:25:32 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 00:26:16 -!- mgodshall [~user@8.20.30.249] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:27:57 drewc: Oh, please do! So far, the only r7rs grumblage we have is from disaffected r6rs-ists, and that hardly counts. We need real *outsider* grumblage. 00:29:20 how about "I like my list holding variables to be named 'list'"! is that outsider enough? :) 00:30:04 oh oh oh! non-delim Conts are bad bad bad! :D 00:31:11 We inherited them from our bad-baronet uncle, Sir Lucius Murgatroyd. 00:31:38 *drewc* knows that this is not #lisp, so will not get into why dynamic scope and closures can be *grumble grumble grumble* 00:31:50 "When I'm a bad Bart., I will tell taradiddles / He'll tell taradiddles when he's a bad Bart. / I will play the best tunes on the very worst fiddles / On the very worst fiddles, when he's a bad Bart.!" 00:32:31 Dynamic scope and *continuations*, I understand that grumble. But dynamic scope and closures is new to me as a source of complaint. Please elucidate. 00:35:15 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 00:36:09 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #scheme 00:36:48 well, how to you do Continuations in a non-continuation based language, like say, Common Lisp? Well, A number of choices exist, and all of which involve closures of some sort, because that is what a continuation _is_ 00:37:17 so, I used this for a number of years : 00:37:18 http://common-lisp.net/project/bese/docs/arnesi/html/Automatically_Converting_a_Subset_of_Common_Lisp_to_CPS.html 00:37:19 http://tinyurl.com/7v6u5ey 00:38:23 but, heh ... I discovered contextl, which is context oriented programming ... AKA AOP for java types ... 00:38:55 and the 'contexts' (knows as 'layers') are dynmamically bound ... 00:39:58 so call/cc might have the right CC, but dynamic, esp for contextl with DLET and DLETF ... well, issues. 00:40:43 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:43 Tau [~Euler@186-194-42-207.i-next.psi.br] has joined #scheme 00:42:51 So, looking for proper alternatives, (and there are other reasons why I do not like SCHEME), well, discovered monads. the monad + the monads solves all of the issues that I have had over the last 10 or so years with things related, and monads are is use by other prog langs, so useable indeed; 00:43:04 http://drewc.org/interface/monads.html 00:44:18 *drewc* *grumble grumble grumble* R4RS *grumble grumble grumble* 00:44:46 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 00:48:58 Well, I proposed an R4RS-compatibility library, but was shot down on the grounds that nobody cares. 00:49:36 I forget, do the state monad and the continuation monad commute? 00:50:42 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #scheme 00:50:51 Riastradh: : More than meets the eyes http://drewc.org/interface/monads.html#sec-4 00:50:56 Certainly the state monad and the nondeterminism monad don't, so `+' is not an entirely appropriate name for the operator that combines them. 00:51:46 And yet + is sometimes the name of a non-commutative operator. 00:51:48 drewc, my question is not `How do you combine them?' but `Is StateT Cont the same as ContT State?', or however you spell that in your language. 00:52:04 no, the are not 00:52:04 jcowan, only by tasteless barbarians. 00:52:08 they 00:52:30 and they shouldn't be for that matter... 00:52:40 Barbarians rule the waves / Romans never never never shall be slaves. 00:57:36 and, the non-determinism monad can also be the monad for that matter ... as is well known in the papers... 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another lisps with some code with same functionality but that differs ? 18:55:28 to see what does different lisp looks like 18:55:35 -!- snits [~snits@174-17-112-107.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:57:22 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc07-o.oracle.com] has joined #scheme 18:57:56 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:01:11 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 19:06:43 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:08:43 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14:39 elkng: http://hyperpolyglot.org/lisp 19:14:55 what this ? I'l take it 19:16:48 elkng: I prefer to concentrate on things that are similar: Have a look at (intersection common-lisp emacs-lisp scheme) http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/intersection-r5rs-common-lisp-emacs-lisp/ 19:16:49 http://tinyurl.com/b83v39z 19:22:47 jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 19:40:16 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 19:40:18 snearch [~snearch@g225148031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #scheme 19:41:40 -!- duncanm_ is now known as duncanm 19:48:41 Oejet [~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet] has joined #scheme 19:49:26 graememcc_ [~chatzilla@host86-171-11-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 19:50:00 -!- graememcc [~chatzilla@host86-150-20-187.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:51:12 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 19:52:00 -!- graememcc_ [~chatzilla@host86-171-11-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:24 -!- dnolen [~user@38.121.226.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:59:49 francisl_ [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has joined #scheme 20:02:20 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 20:02:27 the functionality differs more at what functions are part of the language in my limited experience. Racket and Clojure introduce the [], brackets, and common lisp has a separate namespace for variables and functions (LISP-2) but other than that it is more a library thing 20:02:35 that a fundamental differente 20:02:47 (the lisp-2 has implications in the macro) 20:03:38 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:03:38 -!- francisl_ is now known as francisl 20:03:50 PuercoPop: it's trivial to introduce [] in CL too. 20:04:11 pjb: yeah I'm aware that the reader can be modified 20:04:16 And you can implement a hygienic macro system for CL too. (or use a library). 20:04:18 I like the @ decorator syntax 20:07:58 that fukumachi has done in a library 20:08:01 for CL 20:17:00 ijp [~user@host86-177-155-70.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 20:17:32 francisl_ [~flavoie@199.84.162.165] has joined #scheme 20:17:43 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:17:43 -!- francisl_ is now known as francisl 20:19:28 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:23:04 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 20:23:09 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:27:52 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:28:31 -!- jaaso_ is now known as jaaso_afk 20:28:32 -!- wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:30:28 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.162.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:47 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #scheme 20:44:05 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:50:13 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #scheme 20:54:16 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:00:16 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc07-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:04:24 PuercoPop: and CL is a Lisp-N , where N > 2 ... imnsho 21:04:30 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:04:51 drewc: how so? 21:07:10 let/flet/macrolet/symbol-macrolet , just to get started. 21:08:08 PuercoPop: and I have to go ... but I will be back in about an hour or so... my apologies 21:08:26 ok, i'll be here! 21:08:44 isn't flet like a let for the function namespace? 21:15:41 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-2-40-25-207.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:16:40 -!- jaaso_afk is now known as jaaso 21:16:40 -!- jaaso is now known as jaaso_ 21:17:52 -!- `fogus is now known as `fogus|gone 21:19:40 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:19:57 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 21:22:39 sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #scheme 21:25:05 -!- dort [~ni@208.81.89.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:25:13 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc08-o.oracle.com] has joined #scheme 21:26:45 dort [~ni@d90h43.public.simons-rock.edu] has joined #scheme 21:29:21 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:15 tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has joined #scheme 21:49:02 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #scheme 21:49:58 -!- Guest51498 [~William@108-85-16-151.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:06 ASau [~user@46.115.98.84] has joined #scheme 21:55:50 -!- mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:07:14 -!- teratorn [teratorn@python/site-packages/teratorn] has left #scheme 22:17:57 PuercoPop: yup, and macrolet for the 'macro' namespace, and symbol-macrolet for the symbol namespace ... but not as a variable, rather a macro. 22:21:11 ah so there is a macro namespace too! 22:21:39 I seem to remember something about symbols 22:21:45 #: I think it is now 22:22:20 defclass, defstruct.... does not define symbols or macros, but rather class structs + a 'TYPE'... some may consider those a namespace as well. Theen there is the 'odd' KEYWORD package 22:22:34 #: is a non-interned symbol 22:23:14 (symbol-value (intern "ASD" :keyword)) <--- is the keyword package a different namespace per se? 22:25:04 and non-interned is symbols that don't belong to a package right? 22:25:08 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-71-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 22:25:11 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-239-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:26:19 CATCH/THROW tags, the BLOCK names ... all can be added to N in lisp-n. For that matter, CL can have a reader that reads forms as if they were a lisp-1 ... so no other namespace beyond the 1 ... it is of course had to do right, but not something that is done very often at all. 22:27:59 common lisp has catch throw? didin't It have a signal system? 22:28:09 has that as well yup 22:28:10 *condition 22:28:27 damn CL is the like C++ of lisps 22:28:32 doesn't, not "didn't" 22:28:42 *PuercoPop* nods 22:28:43 -!- tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: tps_] 22:28:50 and no, not like the C++, but that is because I know what C++ is ;) 22:32:24 in the sense that it has so much features. 22:32:31 Common Lisp is now a standard based on what LISPs had in Common ... and was never the end all be all of lisping ... I use threads/sockets/MOP every day, and that is not in the standard at all, but is "common" among "common lisps" .. which all follow the 'standard', while fixing the 'mistakes' that were made in the standard itself. 22:33:22 PuercoPop: well, imo that is nonsense, but then again, my opinion may be nonsensical itself :) 22:33:30 *PuercoPop* nods 22:33:53 well I am not the most qualified to speak of CL or C++ 22:34:24 I know mostly python. Working my way through SICP right now and have only dabbled in CL 22:36:19 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:37:15 Well, in that case, you have a lot to learn. Stop comparings what you don't know with what you do not know... If CL is like C++, then python is like LUA ... (and that is coming from a lisper, who knows that CMUCL/SBCLs compiler has always been called "Python") 22:37:26 http://insidelisp.blogspot.ca/2010/04/book-chapter-11-what-is-python-and-what.html <--- 22:37:26 http://tinyurl.com/abl2zps 22:37:56 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:38:14 or: treat everything as different and new, because becoming an experienced programmer means learning things and not taking things for granted :) 22:38:49 -!- jaaso_ is now known as jaaso_afk 22:39:03 drewc: I know what you mean, as Eric Naggum elocuently put it 22:39:47 when you call me on the comparison I realized that it would be useless to try to defend it because it was a superficial one 22:40:25 I know less about computation now then I did when I started programming 26 years ago, and every day 'learn' more and more and 'forget' more and more and :) 22:44:38 that is very Taoist sentiment. I hope I can say the same in the future 22:44:57 btw nice post 22:47:28 Well, I also live on a sailboat, have been a self employed developer since 2002, and a Common Lisper since late 2003 ... so I may be a bit of an oddball, or a Taoist, or on the Zen path... or just kinda sorta unique. :P 22:51:34 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:51:42 adiii [~adityavit@static-71-250-238-242.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 22:56:27 Does living on a sailboat is as good as it sounds? Me and my brother always talk about building a boat, but never improve our skillset in order to do so. It still have a lot to learn. But since last year I've started to trying and learn little by little, my first step is learn about compilers enough so I thought SICP was a good first step. I've known about it since I was 17 and in 10 years I always stopped at page ~50 or so. 22:58:22 -!- dort [~ni@d90h43.public.simons-rock.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:00:11 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:15 arrdem [~arrdem@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #scheme 23:00:46 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 23:02:16 -!- tupi [~user@139.82.89.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:50 -!- snearch [~snearch@g225148031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:17:37 scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #scheme 23:27:49 -!- Oejet [~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:49 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 23:29:22 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 23:29:33 PuercoPop: define 'good' :) 23:30:59 Maybe it has drawbacks that one does not initially consider? 23:31:41 well, boating, boatbuilding, an live-aboard .. three different things. 23:31:51 s/an/and* 23:32:34 I suppose that one doesn't have a master boat builder but at least a bit of a handyman for certain situations than may arise? 23:33:01 have you tried going across the ocean? 23:33:06 well, either you know how to repair things, or you die. 23:33:38 Planning to go to Maui end of 2013, and tbh sail around the world. 23:34:19 Just put an offer on a boat that should take me there, and if it is excepted, will be part of my plans 23:35:59 *PuercoPop* nods 23:36:23 Hope you get your boat 23:39:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-165-77.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:41:10 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-246-219.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 23:42:47 Well, boating sounds like a good survival skill. Hordes of hungry savages sound more dangerous than pirates. 23:45:23 The only better place I can imaging living in, is on the top of a rocket/space ship ready to launch spaceward ho! 23:45:56 pjb: I fly the 'Jolly Roger', hanging from my starboard shroud right now... so not a danger to me at all, fwiw. And, in international waters... well the 'murder' laws are a wee bit different then on land, for there are no laws. 23:46:42 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:46:50 Neither on land, when TSWHTF. 23:47:48 I'm only saying that the sea is less densely populated than the land. 23:47:58 And space much less so. 23:49:56 well, even in port, I own the boat ... so a cop has to ask my permission to come aboard and if he is on my decks without my permission, well ... I am allowed to use 'force'... and have something so my force is forceful ;) but yeah, 2/3 of the earth is boatable water... 23:51:48 I am currently staying in port in a cove on a island ... pop 3,100 or so .. liveaboards 15 ... and that is one if the smallest land:sea living ratios on the planet, there are a lot of livaboards on Bowen :) 23:54:15 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-246-219.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:54:16 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:59:20 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]