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01:13:52 <Agent-P> Hello
01:14:23 <Agent-P> I need help but this time not with Racket but with Java !
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01:16:43 <Euthy> #java ?
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01:58:21 <Agent-P> Thanks Euthy :)
01:58:28 <Agent-P> But I have to invited to join Java
01:58:44 <Agent-P> and it's actually ##java
01:58:50 <Agent-P> but then I have to be registred
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02:04:43 <Euthy> In those 40 minutes you could've registered. :)
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02:31:38 <Agent-P> I just forgot the irc commands :P
02:31:50 rudybot_ [~luser@95-28-28-65.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme
02:31:53 <Agent-P> + I'm using a 56 kbps Internetanschluss
02:32:03 <Agent-P> "Mobile Power"
02:32:22 <Agent-P> But it's not a problem I got an answer from the channel Racket ..
02:33:56 <Euthy> #freenode or something.
02:34:31 <Agent-P> I'll do this maybe tomorrow in the University :/
02:36:02 <Agent-P> thanks Euthy anyway :) i go to sleep :D Oh I have a question ! do you know where I can get help with Verilog .. Hardware Description Language ?
02:37:30 <Euthy> ##vhdl ##verilog
02:38:12 <Agent-P> not vhdl :P but hdl but anyways they'll understand my questions :D
02:38:40 <Agent-P> thanks Euthy
02:38:51 <Agent-P> now I go to sleep in peace, Good night :)
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03:16:38 <jcowan> Is there some obvious reason why SRFI 69 does not support an appropriate hash function for the `eqv?` test?  All we get are `equal?`, `eq?`, `string=?`, and `string-ci=?`.
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11:21:39 <wingo> man
11:21:52 <wingo> the scheme-reports list is sorely missing racketeers
11:22:01 <add^_> What implementations of scheme are meant to be integrated *into* other projects?
11:22:11 <add^_> hey wingo :-)
11:22:17 <wingo> hello
11:23:02 <add^_> looking into the r7rs ?
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11:24:00 <add^_> One important factor is speed...
11:24:51 <wingo> if you want to statically link a scheme to a project, use chibi i think
11:25:02 <add^_> hm
11:25:17 <wingo> if you want to dynamically link, use guile
11:25:17 <add^_> I'll look it up, thanks wingo :-)
11:25:22 <add^_> oh?
11:25:30 <wingo> if you want to base your project in scheme instead of c, you have more options
11:26:18 <add^_> the main reason why I wouldn't use guile is because it would be frightening to compile for new users of the program I'm weaving scheme into..
11:28:06 <add^_> even though guile is my scheme implementation of choice normally...
11:28:50 <wingo> for dynamic linking, usually you rely on someone else to provide packages for you.
11:29:27 <add^_> So we would only "provide" libguile.h
11:29:28 <add^_> =
11:29:31 <add^_> ??*
11:30:27 <wingo> if you want to provide the whole system instead of telling your users where to install a scheme, then use chibi, unless you are more experienced.
11:30:30 <wingo> imo anyway.
11:30:48 <add^_> Thanks for your help wingo :-)
11:31:16 <wingo> np, just giving opinions :)
11:31:28 <add^_> I appreciate it, and I appreciate you working on guile!
11:31:36 <add^_> :-)
11:31:42 <wingo> :-)
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11:41:00 <jaaso`> Is there huge difference in speed between chibi and guile, or its just minor. Did anyone test it?
11:41:21 <wingo> i do not know
11:41:33 <wingo> i have not checked chibi recently
11:41:52 <pessoa> chibi sounds like a manga character
11:43:01 <add^_> chibi is a manga/anime style to draw in
11:43:04 <add^_> small characters
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13:43:51 <wingo> http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations
13:43:52 <rudybot> http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx
13:43:57 *wingo* makes stuff up
13:47:44 <jaaso`> :) great post, wingo, thumb up
13:48:35 <jaaso`> Maybe this post should be added in #scheme topic
13:52:34 <leppie> any maintained scheme is a good scheme ;p
13:53:11 <taylanub> To what extend could a Scheme program be statically type-checked via inferrence, if the primitive functions were to declare the types they accept ?
13:53:19 <taylanub> inference*
13:54:20 <leppie> taylanub: there is no limit, as long as you can determine it to be statically safe
13:54:32 <leppie> or verifiably rather
13:54:37 <civodul> wingo: nice ;-)
13:55:26 <civodul> i'd have merged "IDE" and "Emacs + Geiser"
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14:27:07 <ecraven> nice post :)
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14:39:18 <Sgeo> Common from Clojure and a little CL, is it weird that I'm impressed by internal define?
14:39:28 <Sgeo> *Coming from
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14:41:42 <leppie> Sgeo: it is just syntax 'sugar' for letrec*
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14:42:25 <Sgeo> Sure, but it means less nesting than just using a letrec*
14:43:25 <leppie> but it is just a 'macro' nothing more for the implementor to implement ;p
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14:43:55 <ecraven> leppie: no it isn't ;) you can't handle internal define as a macro
14:43:56 <Sgeo> Wouldn't it need to be implemented in lambda though?
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14:45:24 <leppie> ecraven: of course, it is part of any <body> (implementation-detailed macro, if you can call it that)
14:45:50 <ecraven> exactly :)
14:46:19 <ecraven> i was just meaning to clarify that internal define itself isn't anything like a macro, it has to be implemented in the thing "around" the define itself
14:46:47 <leppie> still a macro at the end of the day ;p I use psyntax, and internal definitions are presented as a letrec* in the output
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14:47:32 <leppie> ecraven: it would not be too hard to implement as a macro
14:48:20 <ecraven> leppie: you think you can implement internal DEFINE as a normal macro?
14:48:59 <DerGuteMoritz> wingo: super post! it makes me want to try Guile now
14:49:20 <Sgeo> What post?
14:49:40 <leppie> ecraven: well, if I could redefine 'begin' to do the analysis, that would be possible, else you would pretty much have to 'wrap' all existing macros
14:49:41 <DerGuteMoritz> Sgeo: http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/01/07/an-opinionated-guide-to-scheme-implementations
14:49:42 <rudybot> http://tinyurl.com/b3fjhzx
14:49:52 <Sgeo> DerGuteMoritz, ty
14:50:28 <ecraven> leppie: exactly my point, you can't (only) make internal DEFINE a macro, you need to change whatever is "outside" it :) but i think we mean the same thing
14:50:34 <wingo> tx all!
14:50:49 <DerGuteMoritz> damn, no Guile 2.0 package for Arch
14:50:58 <leppie> ecraven: i concur :)
14:51:19 <ecraven> wingo: is there any documentation for the geiser protocol? i've had a look at the sources, but it is totally unclear to me what is sent over the "wire"
14:51:40 <ecraven> DerGuteMoritz: guile-devel in aur
14:51:45 <ecraven> and many others :)
14:51:56 <DerGuteMoritz> ecraven: ah thanks!
14:52:01 <DerGuteMoritz> I only saw guile-git
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14:52:55 <ecraven> guile-git might be 2.0 too :)
14:53:07 <DerGuteMoritz> good good
14:53:14 <DerGuteMoritz> I will try out Geiser later
14:53:21 <DerGuteMoritz> it looks really good
14:54:29 <wingo> ecraven: not that i know of, geiser provides both sides of the interface -- currently there are racket and guile implementations afaik
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14:55:20 <ecraven> wingo: i was looking into it because i was interested in getting mit/gnu-scheme working with it as well, but i failed ;) also SLIME just works too well, providing more than geiser has atm
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20:03:58 <Sgeo> "The new Green Scheme specification requires that objects be recycled rather than sent to the garbage collector."
20:04:05 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
20:04:05 <Sgeo> (On a thread about an April 1st post)
20:04:25 <Sgeo> That reminds me of LambdaMOO
20:04:29 <LeoNerd> Hehe
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20:05:00 <Sgeo> Recycling an object would (by default) send it to a recycling bin so that new object IDs wouldn't need to be allocated
20:05:14 <Sgeo> There's a special bin to send objects with cool numbers in case someone else wants to use that number
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