00:02:18 I bent and just included srfi-1 ;) 00:03:01 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 00:05:23 kencausey: Oh, Christ; this is the beginning of decadence. Next to follow are Scheme-orgies and the sign of chthulu. 00:07:01 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 00:07:04 That's `Cthulhu', klutometis. 00:08:34 I have my limits where bondage is concerned. 00:09:44 -!- Belaf [~campedel@net-93-147-53-1.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has left #scheme 00:10:37 Riastradh: Thanks! I always mistake that initial c for a chi; Cthulu and Cthullu are extant, too, by the way. 00:16:28 How's everyone been treated by the apocalypse? 00:23:12 Riastradh: I was afflicted with a mundane solstice; you? 00:24:37 (say 'hello) 00:27:24 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:33:37  Ever since the world ended ... I face the future ... with a smile  00:33:52 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:33:54 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 00:34:23 jrapdx [~jra@c-76-115-235-187.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:40:37 is lat? conventional scheme? 00:40:45 list of atoms 00:43:55 rudybot: (lat? (list 'argon 'neon 'hydrogen)) 00:43:56 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 00:43:56 *offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: lat? in module: 'program 00:44:00 I guess not 00:46:39 yeah, I know it's not defined by default, but I am wondering if it is common for people to have to define many fundamental functions like that. I guess.. 00:51:14 I really don't know what I'm asking.., I guess it just seems that things like that are so fundamental. 00:51:19 -!- add^_ [~user@2001:16d8:cc2c:0:7d0e:fba0:4b70:4bf2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:59 so.. like.. 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A bit lacking in that area. 04:56:29 I'm off, have fun. 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[~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 17:22:19 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:23 adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:30:06 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 17:30:31 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 17:30:38 amoe_ [~amoe@host-78-147-96-56.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 17:33:19 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-92-26-164-245.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:41:53 -!- tupi [~user@186.205.46.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:10:46 Does anyone else find it counter-intuitive that the in a do-expression must return #t to terminate the iteration ? 18:11:51 The whole do syntax weirds me out. I feel like I'd rather use a named let, although then the modifications to the iteration variables must come after the body ... 18:13:20 taylanub: it's the stop-condition, so it's not unintuitive 18:13:25 On second thought, I guess it actually makes more sense to have a test that's expected to succeed to say "stop." 18:13:27 Indeed. 18:13:51 Think about (repeat (something stuff) until (donep stuff)) 18:14:19 I guess I subconsciously liken it to a for-loop in C-like languages. 18:14:25 That said, (defmacro while ) is trivial. 18:20:28 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 18:27:26 -!- Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-160-140.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:30:34 donep sounds like a river in moldavia or something 18:38:54 -!- dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:43:41 -!- pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: < A-Momentary-Lapse-Of-Reason >] 18:54:11 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 18:54:17 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:10:11 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:11:08 RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-67-247-8-236.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:11:42 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 19:12:15 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #scheme 19:19:08 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:24:06 ddp [~ddp@71-83-115-6.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:25:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-235.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 19:26:32 -!- ddp [~ddp@71-83-115-6.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:33 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:12 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 19:35:32 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:44:33 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 19:48:27 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-67-247-8-236.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: what is your true identity?] 19:53:43 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:32 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:59:00 -!- hash_table [~quassel@216.16.219.28.dyn-cm-pool47.pool.hargray.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:05:39 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-84.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:20:01 taylanub: What do you mean by "modifications to the iteration variables," by the way? 20:20:06 You're not mutating them, are you? 20:34:11 klutometis: Didn't know how to express better: I mean the expressions; those whose return value is assigned to the variable after each iteration. 20:34:53 Well, not necessarily "assigned" to anything; the implementation probably calls a lambda with those arguments. 20:44:16 taylanub: Oh, right. 20:46:08 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:47:06 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #scheme 20:49:29 Hrm, in fact it makes quite the difference whether the variables are bound anew at each iteration, or mutated. Seems like the standard makes no guarantees. 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