00:03:10 replore_ [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 00:03:20 -!- replore_ [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:20 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc03-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:04:13 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:09:31 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 00:22:44 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:25:29 replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 00:25:40 -!- replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:49 replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 00:46:58 -!- replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:07 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:53:15 belabartok [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 00:55:16 the little schemer is actually a pretty neat book 01:02:02 65MAAA5QI [~replore@fl1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 01:02:06 how can i best fix this define-in-expression-context? is there some sort of define-if-undefined thing i can use? this is meant for guile, but ideally there's some implementation-agnostic solution. http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-gaf/berndj.git/blob/HEAD:/gnetlist/scheme/gnet-drc2.scm 01:02:07 http://tinyurl.com/dyoaasd 01:04:31 -!- pjb [~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:55 pjb [~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #scheme 01:09:41 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD60992.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:15:06 -!- ijp [~user@host86-162-111-146.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:15:37 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 01:18:30 -!- 65MAAA5QI [~replore@fl1-118-109-227-30.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:45 i forgot to give a line reference. the nasty starts at line 190 01:28:39 Definitions in principle happen before runtime. The whole idea of deciding at runtime what the meaning of identifiers in a Scheme program is makes little sense. 01:31:27 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-60-82.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 01:31:45 well, what do you suggest i do? 01:32:44 In what circumstances would pintype-can-drive be defined or not defined? 01:32:52 for now i've simply made a new variable called checked-pintype-can-drive, whose definition has the (if (defined? 'pintype-can-drive ...)) 01:34:10 jcowan, i actually don't know. i'm just trying to make this existing code work with a stricter version of guile. i think the *normal* case is that pintype-can-drive is not defined. some power users might override it before that script gets evaluated 01:34:50 Yeah, that's really a module issue. If by default it is not defined, I'd just strip the if and leave the define where it is. 01:37:58 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:39:20 well, i want to refactor, not change behaviour, so i want to preserve the ability to override the script's default 01:40:04 meh, i've just made a shadow variable that's checked to be "safe". dunno if that's idiomatic 01:44:57 -!- pjb [~t@cust-seco21th2-46-193-64-247.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:13 b4283 [~b4283@60-249-196-111.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 02:01:17 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-txzhcepjkwwtmsku] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:13:19 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-1176029341.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 02:14:15 Fare [~fare@216.239.45.130] has joined #scheme 02:15:12 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:02 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:23:31 RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has joined #scheme 02:23:51 I've ordered all three little scheme books. 02:26:34 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #scheme 02:27:02 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:27:10 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:28:47 also simply scheme 02:29:06 then, I'm going to read htdp and sicp. 02:32:03 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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(cdr l))) (else #f)))) 06:06:53 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-37.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 06:11:27 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-74-68-121-27.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:19:35 wow there are a lot of resources on http://library.readscheme.org/ 06:19:45 def(p) 06:20:02 def lat(p) 06:20:18 : 06:20:44 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:41:02 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:45:01 -!- ffs [~garland@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:45:22 -!- acedia [~rage@unaffiliated/ffs] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:59:04 -!- Guest22735 is now known as tertl3 06:59:48 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:06:37 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 07:13:44 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 07:14:49 how should I be thinking of recursive functions? not as a loop, but a bunch of similar processes? 07:20:58 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #scheme 07:31:09 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 07:42:21 wingo [~wingo@cha74-2-88-160-190-192.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 07:51:02 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:52:04 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:52:08 hiroakip [~hiroaki@bi1.roaming.dfn.de] has joined #scheme 07:57:37 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@bi1.roaming.dfn.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:01:06 civodul [~user@193.50.110.62] has joined #scheme 08:08:55 belabartok: it depends 08:09:08 you can think of them as mathematical expressions 08:09:10 goto labels 08:09:36 it depends more on how they are used 08:15:34 ASau` [~user@46.115.98.215] has joined #scheme 08:18:40 -!- ASau [~user@46.115.122.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:19:20 ok 08:21:36 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #scheme 08:22:01 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 08:23:06 -!- ASau` [~user@46.115.98.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:29:28 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40:34 -!- bjz [~brendanza@203-206-132-21.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:00:12 t_hash [~hash@www7001uf.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #scheme 09:14:30 -!- t_hash [~hash@www7001uf.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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mostly I just need to improve the documentation. 14:20:20 *jcowan* nods. 14:20:31 I figured you must have built most of this infrastructure already 14:20:45 I'm thinking about packaging a chibi egg for Chicken 14:20:59 chibi - fast Scheme interpreter 14:21:39 I think DerGuteMoritz was working on that? 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what is the schemebot here, and where can I get the source code for it? 20:03:39 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:05:00 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:20 -!- hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:07:22 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:11:07 vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:11:53 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 20:26:39 rudybot: source 20:26:39 stamourv: git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git 20:26:42 belabartok: ^ 20:26:54 cool, thanks 20:27:29 are you a composer 20:28:08 kilimanjaro: I like music. I'm not a professional composer. 20:28:09 rudybot is pretty nice, it's got per-user sandboxes, time and space limits, restricts filesystem etc. access. 20:28:36 And it supports all of Racket's languages. 20:28:40 rudybot: init typed/racket 20:28:42 stamourv: your typed/racket sandbox is ready 20:29:00 rudybot: (define: (f (x : Integer)) (add1 x)) 20:29:00 stamourv: error: #:1:27: define:: expected the identifier `:' at: (add1 x) in: (define: (f (x : Integer)) (add1 x)) 20:29:06 rudybot: (define: (f (x : Integer)) : Integer (add1 x)) 20:29:06 stamourv: Done. 20:29:16 rudybot: (f "not an integer") 20:29:16 stamourv: error: #:1:3: Type Checker: Expected Integer, but got String in: (quote "not an integer") 20:29:30 rudybot: Thank you. 20:29:31 stamourv: thank you, that worked I apologize if I was rude. 20:29:47 -!- kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30:17 Nah, you were perfectly polite, don't worry about it. 20:33:59 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:35:48 macrobat_ [~geggamojj@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #scheme 20:37:50 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-56-58.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 20:37:56 pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #scheme 20:38:20 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 20:38:32 -!- macrobat_ [~geggamojj@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:25 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:53 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 20:44:00 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:45:35 hiroakip [~hiroaki@ip-5-147-122-136.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #scheme 20:49:38 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 20:53:29 civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has joined #scheme 20:54:14 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:57:11 -!- pnpuff [~Eternit9a@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: "a winter's day in a deep and dark december... ^^"] 20:59:04 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 21:07:55 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 21:13:20 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:17:02 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:17:34 add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-10-58.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 21:20:50 silly question. should I indent .scm with a mixture of tabs and spaces, or spaces only? 21:21:12 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:21:15 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:21:19 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 21:21:58 spaces only, I assume. 21:21:59 belabartok: I avoid tabs in pretty much all languages. 21:22:08 (except, say, Makefiles) 21:23:23 by default my emacs is indenting with tabs and spaces. 21:27:31 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:30:26 hm.. especially with lispy things. if you change the tab width it will mess up your formatting. :/ 21:35:24 -!- taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:39:49 taylanub [~taylanub@85.100.53.190] has joined #scheme 21:42:12 belabartok: Who's to say what you should do? 21:45:18 I'm going to stick with spaces only for scheme. 21:45:56 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-1176494827.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #scheme 21:46:11 Why? 21:47:23 Euthy`: because I want it to appear the same no matter what my tab settings are. 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