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It's not like -0.0 is really the inverse of 0.0. 05:26:25 It's not? 05:26:39 > (+ 0.0 (- 0.0)) 05:26:39 0.0 05:26:51 Looks like an additive inverse to me. :-) 05:27:59 (+ 0.0 0.0) => 0.0 05:28:13 It's _an_ additive inverse, not the canonical one. 05:29:07 Doesn't the definition of IEEE floating points include something about negating a number just being flipping its sign bit? 05:29:08 And that's not what IEEE 754 uses signed zero for - it represents underflow or branch buts. 05:29:36 No, otherwise (- 0.0 0.0) would return -0.0. 05:29:58 C does that too. Must be right. 05:30:01 At any rate this isn't specific to Scheme. 05:30:12 C does what too? 05:30:23 -(0.0) = (-0.0) 05:30:35 That is, negating positive 0 yields negative 0. 05:30:49 Sigh. 05:31:01 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 05:31:04 If you want numbers that make sense, don't use floating point values. 05:31:18 I need to finish up my hugenums implementation so I can eradicate -0.0 from chibi. 05:32:38 IEEE 754 specifies that the negate operation flips the sign bit of its argument, not that it yields an additive inverse to its argument. 05:33:04 Ah, Scheme48 returns (- 0.0) => 0.0 05:33:21 But (* -1.0 0.0) => -0.0 05:34:08 Probably a bug in Scheme48. 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does it still link to draft 6 ? 13:08:38 masm [~masm@bl17-202-220.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 13:09:22 -!- foof [~user@li126-140.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:29 foof [~user@li126-140.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 13:12:04 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@133.Red-79-154-119.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:13:31 -!- fayimora [~fayimora@host86-160-34-77.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: fayimora] 13:17:04 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme 13:17:15 dsmith [~dsmith@cpe-184-56-129-232.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 13:19:34 k-stz [~user@dslb-188-104-239-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #scheme 13:21:36 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-70.dynamic.telemach.ba] has joined #scheme 13:23:11 hi there, i tried to translate a function written in lambda calculus to scheme, but it doesn't work (maybe brain error): y.(x.* y x) i translated this to: (define (N y x) (lambda (y) ((lambda (x) (* y x))))) 13:24:04 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:24:33 now (N 1 2) returns ";Value 26: #[compound-procedure 26] i use mit-scheme 13:27:01 I'm expecting it to return the value of (* 1 2) 13:34:14 k-stz: First of all, y.(x.* y x) will return (x.* x) when applied to . 13:35:20 Are you sure you've fully understood the lambda calculus ? (Then we can move on to the translation to scheme ...) 13:38:45 where y will be an number and the function will have x as formal parameter 13:39:06 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:39:36 For example, yes. (\y.(\x.* y x)) 5 => (\x.* 5 x) 13:39:41 im in the testing phase to move on with the theory :) 13:40:11 (\y.(\x.* y x)) 5 3 => (\x.* 5 x) 3 => * 5 3 => 15 13:43:05 Let me just give you a tip: If you translate it *directly* to scheme, you'll have to apply the function like ((f 5) 3) and not (f 5 3). 13:43:30 i got it, 13:44:34 (define (n) (lambda (y) (lambda (x) (* x y)))) where (n) returns the nested lambda; ((n) 1) returns: (lambda (x) (* x 1)) ... ! 13:45:00 (((n) 1) 2) returns the expected 2 :) 13:45:15 Yes. 13:46:17 (f 5 3) would be a function expecting 2 formal parameters, btw u seem to refer to achim jungs paper with those examples? 13:46:46 In the lambda calculus, \xy.* x y is just a *syntactic* shortcut for \x.\y.* x y, and x y z is just syntactic shortcut for ((x y) z) so it works. On the other hand, scheme directly supports multiple arguments. So if you want to translate lambda calculus expressions directly to scheme, you'll have to only use one-argument functions that return functions, and apply them like ((x y) z) ... 13:47:09 I don't refer to any paper, I'm not that academic. 13:49:40 pray excuse me then, and thx for the help 13:49:55 No problem. 14:03:15 fayimora [~fayimora@host86-160-34-77.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 14:04:21 robolobster54 [~robolobst@133.Red-79-154-119.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:14:40 -!- fayimora [~fayimora@host86-160-34-77.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: fayimora] 14:17:16 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.26.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:40 -!- robolobster54 [~robolobst@133.Red-79-154-119.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:33:01 robolobster54 [~robolobst@133.Red-79-154-119.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 14:36:29 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-178-52.netcologne.de] has quit 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