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Early to bed, early to rise and write that paper that's due at about 10am tommorow morning. Peace people. o/] 21:51:34 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:56:30 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 21:59:11 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:01:41 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has joined #scheme 22:02:07 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:35 LeoNerd : .. ooi, context for your comment "if you're going to implement TCMC ..." ? 22:14:31 Hi.. 22:14:34 Oh.. my VM 22:14:42 I was just thinking on other continuation types 22:20:39 -!- RageOfThou [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-21-147.dynamic.telemach.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:23:02 you seemed to be replying to someone called "Ponderance", but i didn't see where they said something 22:23:24 .. though on second though, i now realize that you possibly just meant that you were pondering it 22:24:03 for context, here it is : 22:24:04 Ponderance: if you're going to implement TCMC where (cons head EXPR) calls EXPR as a tail-call, how about other expressions, such as (+ a b c EXPR) 22:24:36 i imagine that for the latter one here, you have some kind of associativity-using accumulator-passing in mind 22:25:21 .. and in such case, i wouldn't count this as TCMC proper (though it'd be nice to have with TCMC) 22:26:31 (see e.g. both optimizations mentioned in "Making Mercury programs tail recursive" by Peter Ross,David Overton,Zoltan Somogyi in 1999-09 at ) 22:27:24 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #scheme 22:28:35 it would be nice if one could `(define (cons2 first second rest) (cons first (cons second rest)))' (silly example), and then have `EXPR' be in tail-position-modulo-cons(tructor) wrt `(cons2 a b EXPR)' -- iow, to be able to abstract and still retain TCMC 22:29:05 .. however, i'm not sure how one could attain this 22:29:13 LeoNerd ^ 22:31:04 ski: With special continuations 22:31:12 If you can do TCMC you can do TCM{any builtin function} 22:31:22 well, give or take 22:32:05 -!- civodul [~user@reverse-83.fdn.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:33:04 only CONStructing ones, afaiu 22:34:19 (i.e. ones for which one could delay the associated initialization of some sub-structure with an argument, until it becomes available) 22:36:10 adiii [~adityavit@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-06.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #scheme 22:36:37 hm .. i wonder why one would prefer one of `EXPR0' and `EXPR1' in `(cons EXPR0 EXPR1)' as the one being in tail-call-modulo-cons position 22:37:00 (since it seems that at most one of them could be that) 22:37:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-186.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:49 You can do tailcall with addition just fine 22:40:06 elaborate ? 22:40:10 (+ 123 EXPR) <== tailcalls EXPR with a "add 123 to its result" continuation 22:41:22 how would that not require space for keeping track of the extra activation frame for the addition ? 22:44:31 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:44:32 Hrm? There is no activation frame 22:44:54 Well, it's the same as a TCMC 22:46:32 i don't understand what you mean by "tailcalls EXPR with a \"add 123 to its result\" continuation" -- how is this implemented ? 22:48:05 would in `(+ 2 (+ 3 EXPR))' the inner call to `+' scrutinize the continuation, and add `3' to the `2' stored in it (while the outer call to `+' scrutinizes the continuation and presumably adds a fresh addition frame in case the top one isn't an addition frame) ? 22:49:05 Yes; you can coaless them if they are neighbours 22:49:18 Because it knows that addition is associative 22:49:45 jschuster [~schuster@c-174-62-235-168.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:49:46 So it knows that (+ 2 (+ 3 EXPR)) can be done the same as (+ (+ 2 3) EXPR) being (+ 5 EXPR) so it keeps a -single- addition continuation around 22:50:34 wilbowma [~bluephoen@hulk.soic.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 22:50:52 "Because it knows that addition is associative" -- ok, so i'd say this isn't pure LCMC (but still nice to combine with it) 22:51:14 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 22:51:35 does your system detect the opportunity for applying associativity for addition at run-time, or compile-time ? 22:51:44 Runtime, surely 22:52:01 By just merging an existing addition continuation, rather than appending another one 22:52:14 ok (the associativity-based-optimizatiobn in the paper i mentioned above does it at compile-time) 22:52:22 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:14 (and it would also apply to operations like adding elements to an ordered or unordered collection) 22:53:57 Sure 22:54:04 Can be quite generic 22:56:26 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:01:13 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@c-69-245-177-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat [quit]] 23:20:34 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD6047F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:21:18 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Quit: francisl] 23:21:46 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:24:05 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #scheme 23:28:54 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #scheme