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http://pastebin.com/NV3N8C47 22:12:21 RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 22:12:30 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 22:12:51 githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #scheme 22:13:28 add^_^ [~add^_@m37-2-170-233.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 22:13:43 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Quit: What happened to Systems A through E?] 22:14:33 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-54-189.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:14:33 -!- add^_^ is now known as add^_ 22:18:24 have you looked at the docs for case-lambda 22:18:25 ? 22:19:02 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-16/srfi-16.html 22:19:21 adiii [~adityavit@c-76-117-52-187.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 22:19:45 madmuppet: What system are you using? 22:20:00 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #scheme 22:20:07 Racket supports a nice syntax for optional (and keyword) arguments. 22:20:24 rudybot: (define (foo x [y 0]) (+ x y)) 22:20:24 stamourv: Done. 22:20:30 rudybot: (foo 3) 22:20:30 stamourv: ; Value: 3 22:20:32 rudybot: (foo 3 2) 22:20:33 stamourv: ; Value: 5 22:24:11 madmuppet: fyi, in guile 2.0 you can do (define* (my-sqrt x #:optional (y )) ...) 22:24:51 currently using guile-2.0 on a debian system 22:25:07 or just do (define* (my-sqrt x #:optional y) ...) and then 'y' will be #f if the argument is not passed. 22:25:14 there's also 'lambda*' which uses the same syntax. 22:25:20 -!- wuehli [~wuehlmaus@freeshell.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:25:41 e.g. (define my-sqrt (lambda* (x #:optional y) ...)) 22:25:51 how do I access the optional argument? 22:26:10 just like you would any other argument. it will be #f if the argument was not passed by the caller. 22:26:32 or if you want a different default value, do #:optional (y ) 22:26:40 e.g. #:optional (y 0) 22:26:52 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@541AF138.cm-5-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:26:56 k gonna have a go at it .. thanks again .. 22:27:25 madmuppet: btw, I would have answered your question earlier, but you always left channel before I saw your question :) 22:28:35 sorry was bedtime .. and I pasted for 1 hour 22:28:48 thanks for the help 22:29:20 -!- erann [~erann@182.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:29:50 welcome! :) 22:30:26 mark_weaver: Why not make `define*' `define' and `lambda*' `lambda'? 22:34:21 not sure, the decision was made before I got involved. 22:35:16 That should be an easy and backwards compatible change. All uses of `define' should be valid uses of `define*'. 22:35:23 I think maybe the reason is that it was originally in a separate module that was not loaded by default. 22:35:39 I see. 22:35:52 true, since #:foo is a keyword, so not a valid formal argument name anyway. 22:36:24 wuehli [~wuehlmaus@freeshell.de] has joined #scheme 22:36:29 erann [~erann@182.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 22:36:51 you can just do (define-syntax lambda (identifier-syntax lambda*)) and similarly for define, within your module, if you like :) 22:37:48 Sure, but it sounds like something that's useful enough to provide as the default. 22:38:11 Optional and keywork arguments are the things I miss most when I use other languages. 22:38:20 s/keywork/keyword/ 22:38:22 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-175-226.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:38:44 Well, that and variable arity `map' and co. 22:38:48 guile's define* and lambda* support keyword args too 22:40:04 variable arity 'map' e.g. (reduce + 0 (map * lst1 lst2)) ? 22:41:41 but that's standard (as I thought). what do you mean by variable-arity 'map' ? 22:42:56 That's what I meant. 22:43:09 add^_^ [~add^_@m37-2-163-245.cust.tele2.se] has joined #scheme 22:43:09 I miss it when I use non-Scheme languages. 22:43:44 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-2-170-233.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:43:45 -!- add^_^ is now known as add^_ 22:44:00 (Which doesn't happen all that much these days. I do most of my work in Racket. :D) 22:46:29 -!- masm [~masm@bl17-203-139.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:48:54 masm [~masm@bl18-43-68.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #scheme 22:53:15 jrslepak [~jrslepak@static-72-248-46-246.ma.onecommunications.net] has joined #scheme 22:53:35 -!- nightfly_ is now known as nightfly 22:54:07 -!- nightfly is now known as nightfly_ 22:54:34 any chance someone can have a look at my attempt to use optional argument in a square root procedure http://pastebin.com/c2wrU6AV thanks 22:54:56 its down the bottom 22:55:38 #!optional => #:optional 22:55:48 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-202.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:24 ah ok 22:57:08 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-202.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 23:02:24 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:54 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:05:39 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 23:06:20 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-2-163-245.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 23:09:08 madmuppet: also, your 'cond' syntax is incorrect. you want (cond (i ...) ...) NOT (cond ((i) ...) ...) 23:09:28 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.30.250] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:48 madmuppet: fwiw, Guile supports complex numbers natively. 23:11:36 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:29 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:47 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:12:47 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-203-9.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #scheme 23:13:11 -!- walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:13:29 walter [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 23:13:29 SlitazMint [~ivar@189.38.208.184] has joined #scheme 23:15:13 mark_weaver:thanks for the help I have cleaned up my code a lot .. had to change some of my earlier code to reflect what I was trying to do with the last procedure 23:16:24 mark_weaver: I know that guile supports complex numbers its a way of learing for me 23:18:11 -!- mark_weaver [~user@TURNTABLE.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:21:26 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:25:31 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.30.250] has joined #scheme 23:26:43 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:30:33 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:33:58 -!- erann [~erann@182.Red-83-61-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: erann] 23:44:26 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 23:47:13 ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has joined #scheme