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(time-utc->date (add-duration (current-time-tc) (make-time time-duration 0 (* 7 86400)))) 01:18:56 = add a week. 01:20:19 -!- SlitazMint [~ivar@189.38.208.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:20:53 SlitazMint [~ivar@189.38.208.184] has joined #scheme 01:29:08 Onionnion|Eee [~ryan@adsl-68-254-167-6.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #scheme 01:32:47 astertronistic [~astertron@ip70-181-247-103.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:32:51 astertronistic_ [~astertron@ip70-181-247-103.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #scheme 01:37:40 langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has joined #scheme 01:40:14 -!- erann [~erann@59.Red-83-50-2.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #scheme 01:47:35 -!- masm [~masm@bl18-56-117.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:49:21 b4283 [~b4283@1-172-80-248.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 01:54:45 dca: that, I'm guessing, is you using racket 5.3 01:55:33 dca: there's a bug in 5.3 that causes that, and I've never tracked it down 01:55:47 rudybot: eval (banner) 01:55:48 *offby1: your sandbox is ready 01:55:48 *offby1: ; Value: "Welcome to Racket v5.2.900.1.\n" 01:55:53 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:55:55 that's why the bot is still at 5.2.900 02:04:17 elderK [~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk] has joined #scheme 02:04:25 :P Anyone here played around with the Little Schemer? 02:04:41 -!- SlitazMint [~ivar@189.38.208.184] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:09 *youlysses* owns it, but hasn't really invested any serious time into it. Probally will in the comming winter-break. :-) 02:05:48 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 02:06:08 :P I have some minor bones to pick with it. 02:06:15 Do you have the book with you nearby? 02:06:46 Sec. 02:07:22 Got it. 02:07:32 Fly over to Chapter 6 - Shadows. 02:07:44 (Do you have the Fourth edition? I'm not sure if the previous ones have Shadows or not.) 02:08:04 Read the first couple pages - pay attention to numbered? 02:08:27 :P When you've looked at it a little and pondered, tell me. I'll ask you a question :) 02:09:41 So far, it looks fine to me...? 02:10:07 elderK: the part where they tell you bout 'else', but don't add it? 02:10:08 It accepts this as a arithmetic expression! 02:10:34 pg? 02:10:59 (1 + 2 3 4) 02:11:36 or, simply, 02:11:39 (1 $ 2 3 4) 02:11:40 etc 02:12:01 well, not (1 $ 2 3 4) 02:12:13 It does if you use their 'simplified' version :) 02:12:22 Before value is defined. 02:12:42 What, that it's not prefix notation, or? I might just be tired, but I'm not grokin the problem... 02:12:55 indeed 02:13:10 elderK: right, good practice would be to error check on the number of arguments 02:13:11 You define a function, numbered?, which accepts a number or a "arithmetic expression." 02:13:22 That expression is something like (1 + 2) 02:13:26 ((1 + 3) * 4) 02:13:44 (((1 * 2) / 3) + (8 / 2) ) 02:13:54 And aye. 02:14:01 I would've imagined you'd check the arguments, firstly. 02:14:04 Then check that things are sane. 02:14:06 ie: 02:14:19 (1) 02:14:30 If 1 is an arithmetic expression (it comes back as true) 02:14:31 then so is (1) 02:15:00 The "complicated" numbered? function at least checks whether the operators are valid. 02:15:11 Anywho. 02:15:14 I found that interesting :) 02:15:21 well, bitching about it on irc isn't going to change the book :) 02:15:48 I was more hoping that someone would say something incredibly enlightening and I'd notice something I hadn't :P 02:16:02 like, no wait! You've m issed THIS! You see, this is an AWESOME technique that they've not elucidated yet! 02:16:05 or something. 02:16:54 You have to write a simple walker to calculate the value of such an arithmetic expression. 02:17:04 They've sidestepped operator precedence nicely though :P 02:17:18 Combinations MUST be parenthesized. 02:17:20 :) 02:17:32 ie: you can't just say 2 + 3 / 4 * 8 02:17:53 Doing that would be much more fun :) 02:17:54 ANYWHO! 02:17:56 :) How's it going? 02:17:57 :D 02:21:09 tuubow [~adityavit@117.205.96.219] has joined #scheme 02:27:46 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.178.32.30] has joined #scheme 02:28:03 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:32:01 elderK: anyway, obtain a gold star and give it to yourself :) 02:32:47 Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #scheme 02:32:54 -!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has left #scheme 02:40:42 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:49:17 -!- BW^- [~Miranda@79.114.214.181] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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What sort of overhead do boxed types tend to occur? 23:22:34 some 23:22:52 is it worth doing really intense type inferencing? Are we talking a factor of 10? Factor of 2? 23:23:12 I expect this depends very heavily on the implementation 23:24:50 well... I'm writing a scheme for audio synthesis, and I'm mostly concerned about pauses if I were to do a polymorphic inline cache or something like that 23:25:06 so it'd be nice to just nail everything down up front 23:25:20 pjb [~t@vil93-14-88-184-74-97.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #scheme 23:25:26 which is why type inferencing sounds really appealing... I'm just wondering what the gains are actually like 23:25:44 -!- pjb is now known as Guest75193 23:28:35 so, why do you need to write a whole new scheme implementation for this? 23:29:34 this is a serious question 23:31:13 gaze__: foo (http://foo.sourceforge.net/) and nyquist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist_(programming_language)) may be of interest to you. 23:34:27 ooh, a PL named "Nyquist". Cool 23:35:10 erann: your knowledge of audio-oriented Lisps awes me 23:35:45 If only I had the same knowledge on actually using them... 23:35:50 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD615D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:36:11 ijp: For my own education. Also, since I'd like to use IBM's metronome GC algorithm so I can bound the audio latency 23:36:44 and the idea of tearing up someone else's implementation to put in my own GC... 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