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to build a memorizing fibonacci sequence builder 16:54:34 (fyi, the term is actually "memoizing", no "r", but carry on) 16:54:37 if I were to test whether or not the referenced n is already calculated... 16:54:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 16:55:15 kbs [~user@ip-64-134-238-45.public.wayport.net] has joined #scheme 16:55:16 I guess I would be testing the length of it 16:55:19 I need some coffee 16:55:31 enjoy your caffeine boost :) 16:56:43 ijp [~user@host86-173-112-225.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined #scheme 16:57:58 ugh 16:58:05 this implementation doesn't support list-length 16:58:17 why can't I find a sane scheme implementation on arch? 16:58:45 arch <- there's your problem 16:58:52 indeed 16:59:02 but I wanted to take a look, so I installed it 16:59:03 and list-length is usually just called length 16:59:09 ahh, thanks 17:00:19 adiii [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 17:01:13 arch has packages for all major open source Scheme implementations, what's the problem? 17:01:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:02:05 microcode: which one are you on now? in which have you tried so far? 17:03:32 the only one that's not listed as outdated is bigloo 17:03:39 they have chicken and guile 17:03:55 racket, too 17:03:59 what does arch consider outdated? last weeks git checkout? 17:04:00 that's right 17:04:05 chicken's new version has only been releasd this week 17:04:37 as for guile I don't know why it's not up to 2.x yet 17:04:56 I guess something depends on version 1 17:05:55 microcode: for more implementations check the AUR (e.g. chibi, gauche and mit scheme are in there) 17:06:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 17:07:37 -!- confab [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:07:43 preflex_ [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #scheme 17:08:08 -!- preflex 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memoisation strategy :P 17:55:30 yeah 17:55:31 it is 17:58:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 17:59:18 is there some sort of magical book that will make me a good scheme guy? 17:59:33 microcode: start at www.htdp.org 17:59:43 -!- hiroaki__ [~hiroaki@77-20-76-240-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:00:09 That'll make you a good [any language] guy, but especially Scheme and similar languages. 18:00:35 a few blood sacrifices to the appropriate deity on the harvest moon wouldn't go amiss 18:02:42 oh cool, that's soon 18:03:11 err 18:03:14 oh crap 18:03:16 I'm late 18:03:20 Remember to chant "Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!" 18:03:23 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.30.6] has joined #scheme 18:03:52 so whose blood does it need to be? 18:03:54 a virgin? 18:04:00 I have a few litres of that ... 18:04:28 microcode, that's _coke zero_ in those two-liter bottles... 18:05:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:08:20 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:09:19 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 18:10:40 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 18:10:41 ahh 18:10:52 and what's the address of this deity? 18:11:02 can I just mail it? 18:11:18 hiroaki__ [~hiroaki@p5B04BF51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #scheme 18:17:09 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:19:15 if you mail it to me, I'll be sure to, er, pass it along 18:21:24 ooh 18:21:27 lets do that! 18:21:36 s/lets/let's/ 18:22:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 18:23:31 hmmm 18:23:34 I mean 18:23:40 in python http://p.xqz.ca/1f65a would be enough 18:24:06 but I'm not sure how to replace my notion of arrays/lists from C and Python with one that fits well with scheme 18:24:25 73 West Elm St, Tesseract #4, Capitol Subterranean Complex, R'lyeh. Postage may be expensive. 18:24:45 ooh, Tesseract #4, how'd you afford that? 18:25:14 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:42 postage will be worth it 18:29:19 riccardo [~riccardo@host5-82-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #scheme 18:29:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:31:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 18:33:55 jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:36:15 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 18:38:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:39:18 jrslepak [~jrslepak@nomad.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #scheme 18:39:56 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:40:06 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:43:30 MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] has joined #scheme 18:44:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 18:46:20 microcode: what you use in python looks more like a hashtable, don't you think ? 18:48:05 -!- ijp [~user@host86-173-112-225.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:49:18 -!- hive-min1 [~hivemind@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:29 i'm not sure if a vector (what's typically called arrays in other languages) is the right data type to use for memoization .. 18:50:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:51:24 kk`` [~kk@217.155.42.31] has joined #scheme 18:52:45 -!- tupi [~david@177.150.30.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:03 -!- kk` [~kk@217.155.42.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:56:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 18:56:21 -!- kbs [~user@ip-64-134-238-45.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:19 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #scheme 19:02:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:04:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 19:08:53 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: noooo] 19:11:23 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12:48 Depends. Your memoization could be smart, and detect that the domain is integers, so a vector could be nice. 19:12:51 hive-min1 [pranq@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #scheme 19:13:45 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.202.58.208] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:30 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:16:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 19:17:52 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.202.58.208] has joined #scheme 19:19:31 BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-75-187-42-68.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 19:23:26 lcc [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 19:23:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25:00 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 19:25:54 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping 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