00:04:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:40 i found the little schemer to be really annoying 00:05:05 it felt like the authors were talking the way adults would to a 5 year old 00:11:09 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 00:12:05 dnolen [~user@static-68-161-224-153.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 00:14:05 phao [phao@177.115.117.37] has joined #scheme 00:15:40 -!- tupi [~david@177.150.147.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:24 hypnocat: it works for some people but not others. 00:17:38 yeah.. i know a lot of people love that book 00:18:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:21:04 -!- dnolen [~user@static-68-161-224-153.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 00:30:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:35:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 00:38:13 -!- palach [~palach@93.175.8.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:40:23 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44:24 hypnocat: yeah, that's exactly it. The Little Schemer makes sure you understand everything. One of the best programming book ever. 00:44:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 00:44:36 hypnocat: FWIW I felt the same way, but enjoyed the others. So, you shouldn't necessarily write those off simply because you didn't enjoy Little. 00:44:37 If you don't like that, just read r5rs, and infer all the rest! 00:45:04 i do think r5rs is written in a much better style 00:45:23 Personnaly, I liked the peanut butter and marmalade sandwich parts. 00:47:49 is that why you're called pbj? 00:47:52 -!- mgodshall [~quassel@c-68-81-2-181.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:57 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:51:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:51:58 madhat [8a1068ff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.16.104.255] has joined #scheme 00:52:27 mgodshall [~quassel@c-68-81-2-181.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:53:08 can anyone explain how (lambda x x) works? 00:55:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 00:55:58 madhat: x gets bound to the list of arguments. The resulting function takes an arbitrary number of arguments. 00:56:23 rudybot: ((lambda x x) 1 2 3) 00:56:24 asumu: your sandbox is ready 00:56:25 asumu: ; Value: (1 2 3) 00:56:38 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 00:56:54 -!- mgodshall [~quassel@c-68-81-2-181.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:22 asumu: is it possible to implement (lambda x x) using a procedure? 00:58:48 mgodshall [~quassel@c-68-81-2-181.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 00:59:31 -!- mgodshall [~quassel@c-68-81-2-181.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:00:10 madhat: No, because lambda is a built-in form. 01:01:23 mwolfe [~mwolfe@99-32-248-91.uvs.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 01:01:46 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 01:10:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:15:06 madhat: that would depend on what you mean. Obviously, lambda is implemented over a Von Neuman machine, so yes, it's possible. 01:15:20 (Turing equivalence and all that). 01:16:23 madhat, what do you mean by "implementing (lambda x x)" ? 01:17:40 i'm trying to make "list" using only structs and basic procedures 01:19:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #scheme 01:19:49 and i knew i could do ((lambda x x) 1 2 3 4), but i guess it's not possible to make my own list procedure this way 01:19:59 madhat: (lambda x x) = list 01:20:40 evhan: yes, but i'm trying to make a list not using lambda or list. i was told it could be done with structs and procedures somehow, so i'm trying different ways 01:20:59 you can't define a procedure w/o lambda... 01:21:03 But lambda constructs a procedure, so that's it, you're done. 01:21:09 :) 01:21:10 define is just a syntactic sugar 01:21:14 you will use lambda one way or the other. 01:21:37 so it's not possible without using the word "lambda"? 01:21:55 hmm, if all you want is to leave the word lambda out then, yes 01:21:56 i'm trying to do it using define and define-struct only, or as simply as possible 01:22:08 (define (mylist . x) x) 01:22:18 what does the . do? 01:22:19 I may have made a mistake there... I won't write scheme in a while. 01:22:30 pjb- [~pjb-@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #scheme 01:22:42 I really can't explain it very well 01:22:51 it sort of means "put the rest of the arguments, as a list, in x" 01:23:07 in that case, "the rest of arguments" means "all arguments" 01:23:17 Note that depending on your Scheme, that's just a macro over (lambda x x): e.g., (define-values:2 (mylist) (lambda:3 x x)) 01:23:52 asumu, it seems like he just want to do it without having to type lambda 01:23:55 but idk... 01:24:00 Oh ok. 01:24:11 I guess what he's looking for is another technique for implementing list 01:24:43 phao: yeh, that's pretty much it 01:25:07 well, afaik, you will have to use the . x thing 01:25:10 or (lambda x ...) 01:25:48 you could do (define (mylist . x) (if (null? x) '() (cons (car x) (apply mylist (cdr x))))) 01:25:56 I guess that'd do it too, but it's pointless 01:27:01 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:27:25 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:29:52 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #scheme 01:32:26 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:32:37 It's ugly. 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