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19:08:56 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:01 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23:10 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-68-252.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 19:27:59 organixpear [~organixpe@96-42-14-128.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #scheme 19:28:45 I'm using Kawa Scheme and trying to coerce a filepath to a string. I have gone over the docs and done some searching and can't seem to find a way to accomplish a filepath to string coersion. 19:29:36 alicebob [~b@c-24-14-148-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 19:32:22 jeapostrophe [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has joined #scheme 19:32:22 -!- jeapostrophe [~jay@lallab.cs.byu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 19:32:22 jeapostrophe [~jay@racket/jeapostrophe] has joined #scheme 19:35:21 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.202.29.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:36:09 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.141.4] has joined #scheme 19:36:36 organixpear: http://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/Paths.html does this not have what you're looking for ? maybe i don't understand what you mean with "coerce" 19:37:01 -!- hash_table [~quassel@128.249.96.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:39:19 I think in C it's known as casting. That page is one that I have read and it doesn't help me. I would just like to "convert" a pathfile into a string 19:39:45 /s/pathfile/filepath 19:40:19 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-139-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:40:56 there is no implicit coercion in scheme, usually there's foo->bar methods, but i don't see why you would want or need such a thing 19:42:41 (well, i guess path->string would be an acceptable name for a function that returns the string-representation of a path-name, but something that explicitly says "return the string-representation of this path-name" makes more sense IMO, and most code i've seen agrees) 19:48:45 organixpear: does the function `path-file' not do what you want ? 19:50:01 there is so much missing documentation 19:50:13 what I needed was "*:toString x" 19:50:36 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 19:51:37 ugh. that's certainly very specific to Kawa then. sorry that i couldn't help, but i wonder, why do you need to do that when you have `path-file' ? 19:53:40 -!- alicebob [~b@c-24-14-148-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:43 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 19:56:25 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.141.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:56:33 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@77.221.28.106] has joined #scheme 19:57:43 Hmmm, I don't know how I can accuratley answer that 19:57:49 I'm new to Kawa 20:02:28 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:07:23 -!- emma is now known as em 20:07:58 organixpear: a path-name (or file-path, or whatever you want to call it) is an "abstract entity" (to speak fancily) that holds a certain number of other entities. in the simplest case an ordered set (array/list/whatever) of file-names. it can be conveniently represented by a string, by e.g. writing out "/" for each file-name it holds (where a file-name would be a string that's forbidden to include the character "/") 20:08:10 bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 20:09:23 "coercing" one type to another does not properly represent the idea of creating a string-representation of a certain type of data, but rather to convert it to a "similar" type by preserving the meaning as much as possible 20:09:43 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.131.147] has joined #scheme 20:10:35 (i'm not sure what the compromises are. maybe for each pair of foo->bar and bar->foo functions, it is mandated that the value of foo is equivalent to that of (bar->foo (foo->bar foo))) 20:11:09 interesting. thank you for enlightening me. I am going to copy those messages if you don't mind for later study, I haven't the time right now. 20:11:20 (but anyway, it's not the right thing to think of when you want to get the string representation of a certain object) 20:11:57 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-179-123.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 20:12:00 organixpear: happy if i can stretch your mind in the right direction :) 20:12:55 (i think i'm using quite vague explanations though, and maybe a more professional schemer would in turn have objections to my way of thinking) 20:13:18 how long have you been scheming? 20:13:49 i don't know .. in total i've been "doing software stuff" since 2.5 years or so 20:19:01 tcleval [~funnyguy@187.114.153.199] has joined #scheme 20:19:50 hi, what is the use or... better question why should anyone use a box in scheme? 20:20:04 by box I mean box object 20:20:24 to emulate a pointer, maybe 20:21:08 (if i got it right what you mean with a "box object" :\) 20:22:25 taylanub: gambit-c for example has box object defined as (box obj), and they can be changed with (set-box! box obj) 20:22:38 what's in the box? 20:22:48 it's exactly what i thought then. hypnocat: any value 20:23:22 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 20:23:33 (define a-guy-from-irc (box 'hypnocat)) ... you I guess :-) 20:23:51 is the hypnocat inside dead or alive? 20:24:00 alive for now 20:24:06 that is trick question... 20:25:52 well, one use case would be turning an immutable datastructure into a mutable one, either by placing the immutable one in a box, or by giving the various "slots" of the datastructure a box value 20:26:31 the former I've done, the latter I've considered 20:27:01 It is hard to google this thing 20:27:06 at least gambit's 20:27:34 maybe racket.. what is the equivalent to gambit's boxes in racket? 20:27:52 boxes 20:28:07 (in worst case you use a single-element vector or the car or cdr of a pair) 20:28:09 rudybot: (box box) 20:28:10 ijp: your sandbox is ready 20:28:10 ijp: ; Value: #&# 20:30:17 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 20:32:00 hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 20:35:29 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-11-72.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:55 -!- adiii [~adityavit@c-69-136-105-164.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:44:07 -!- amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-107-173.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46:22 amoe [~amoe@host-78-147-105-164.as13285.net] has joined #scheme 20:46:33 tcleval: the key thing about boxes is that they are values. 20:46:49 Whereas mutable variables are not. 20:47:06 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@187.114.153.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:47:32 (perhaps I should say "first-class value/object") 20:48:34 dzhus [~dzhus@port1117.ds1-amb.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #scheme 20:48:55 tcleval [~funnyguy@187.58.70.44] has joined #scheme 20:52:13 foeniks 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