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For example, (do ((i 0)) ((+ i 1)) ((< i 9))) - Why the double parens around the expressions instead of single? 19:37:44 the first parens is for the variables 19:37:58 forms 19:38:15 the second for the (variable init update) form itself 19:38:48 and the test expression (= i 0) won't be valid cause it's again looking for forms 19:38:56 So, you're saying (do (something can go here(i 0))) ? 19:39:01 and iterpreting it as a variable else....which is invalid syntax 19:39:27 Or rather, I guess I need to read up on forms, because I don't know what you mean by that. 19:39:47 (do ((var1 init1 step1) (var2 init2 step2)) ((test-form)) ...(optional forms)) 19:39:59 rudybot: (do ((i 0) (j 0)) ((+ i 1) (+ j 10)) ((< i 9)) (+ i j)) 19:39:59 stamourv: ; Value: 10 19:40:07 a form is everyting between parens 19:40:40 the test form is for stopping mostly 19:41:10 if you let that (()) it will iterate non-stop 19:44:49 Try: (let* ((let-form '(let ((a 1) (b 2)) (+ a b))) (let-bindings (cadr let-form)) (let-body (caddr let-form))) (map (lambda (binding) (display "var = ") (display (car binding)) (newline) (display "val = ") (display (cadr binding)) (newline)) let-bindings) (display "body = ") (display let-body) (newline)) 19:44:52 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:45:06 o.O 19:45:18 s/caddr let-form/cddr let-form/ for let-body 19:45:53 See how easy it is to find the bindings and the body of the let form. See how easy it is to find the variable from the initialization expression in the bindings. 19:45:57 Similarly for do forms. 19:46:34 There's no syntax in lisp/scheme: there are sexps. 19:47:12 The structure of the sexps is kept simple enough so that you can easily find the syntactic subtrees to process them. (to write a compiler, a code analyser, a debugger, a macro, whatever). 19:48:10 wbooze: not in scheme. In scheme, () is true, so if you write (do () (())) it stops right away since the stop-condition is true. In CL it would make an infinite loop indeed. 19:48:57 (modulo, I don't remember if () is a valid form or not in scheme or in some implementations). 19:49:26 wbooze: x is a form to. 19:49:34 A form is a sexp intended to be evaluated by scheme. 19:53:34 I think maybe....I'm not smart enough for Scheme, rofl. 19:54:05 poisonarms: Don't worry about `do'. 19:54:10 It's a different way of thinking that I am having a hard time wrapping my head around. 19:54:34 poisonarms: As for `let', an easy explanation is that you can bind multiple variables at once. 19:54:44 rudybot: (let ([x 2] [y 3]) (+ x y)) 19:54:45 stamourv: ; Value: 5 19:55:16 So you need parens to group all the bindings together. 19:55:28 confab [~confab@public-nat2.arc.losrios.edu] has joined #scheme 19:55:35 Each binding needs its own parens, since the right-hand side can have multiple expressions. 19:55:59 rudybot: (let ([x (displayln "hello!") 2] [y 3]) (+ x y)) 19:55:59 stamourv: error: #:1:6: let: bad syntax (not an identifier and expression for a binding) at: (x (displayln "hello!") 2) in: (let ((x (displayln "hello!") 2) (y 3)) (+ x y)) 19:56:13 Err, scratch that second part. 19:56:24 poisonarms: Does that make sense? 19:56:59 Erm...I think so. I was more or less confused because I'm sure I've seen something like (let ((exp1)) ((exp2))) 19:57:18 twitter bot done ;p 19:57:19 Instead of (let (exp1) (exp2)) 19:57:21 http://twitter.com/IronScheme 20:01:25 poisonarms: (let ((var1 'value1) (var2 'value2)) ...) 20:01:49 #;1> (let ((var1 'value1) (var2 'value2)) (list var1 var2)) 20:01:51 (value1 value2) 20:01:55 cute no? http://twitter.com/IronScheme/status/241626774377746432 20:01:57 That makes sense. Thanks qu1j0t3 20:02:00 posyw 20:02:04 poisonarms: yw 20:02:55 dnm [~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 20:03:19 -!- dnm is now known as Guest29583 20:03:22 So, I'm using Racket as my implementation. Is this implementation regarded as a 20:03:31 Err, as a "good" implementation? 20:04:19 -!- `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:06:04 yosafbridge [~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #scheme 20:06:08 poisonarms: good for what? It is certainly general purpose, cross-platform, etc. 20:06:31 asumu: Mmm, good for beginning Schemers. 20:07:13 poisonarms: I would say so. There are nice teaching languages with steppers that can show you how your program evaluates, for example. 20:07:48 -!- pepijndevos is now known as pepijn_away 20:08:44 replore [~replore@FLH1Ahd118.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #scheme 20:11:40 githogori [~githogori@c-50-131-15-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 20:12:26 A good exercise is to write the stepper yourself. 20:12:32 I did one for CL last month 20:13:37 -!- replore [~replore@FLH1Ahd118.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:15:11 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 20:26:18 -!- langmartin [~user@host-68-169-154-130.WISOLT2.epbfi.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:29:10 leppie: Neat! 20:29:26 poisonarms: I use Racket, and I really like it. 20:29:49 It also has a very nice introductory text: How to Design Programs. 20:29:52 htdp.org 20:30:24 The 2nd edition is even better, IMO, but it's not complete yet: 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