00:04:47 Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 00:07:06 -!- Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 00:13:48 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-26-82.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:19:19 is there a way to get the n'th cdr ? 00:20:24 -!- masm [~masm@bl16-219-162.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:25 bfgun: list-tail. 00:22:27 drop 00:22:46 close-paren [~close-par@md52036d0.tmodns.net] has joined #scheme 00:22:53 bfgun: read srfi 1, learn it, love it 00:23:11 :-) 00:23:12 or drop ? 00:23:16 Thx ijp! 00:23:26 ijp++ 00:23:27 i was trying to find something like nth-cdr 00:23:46 i believe i saw that somewhere 00:23:51 -!- amgarchIn9 [~amgarchin@p4FD601DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:25:14 bfgun: (define nth-cdr list-tail) ? :-P 00:25:14 bfgun: not sure that's clearer to read than list-tail or drop tho 00:25:24 confab_ [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #scheme 00:25:37 i want to make a 'modify nth element' function 00:25:49 -!- confab_ [~confab@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:25:59 so that would be (set-car! (nth-cdr n) val) 00:26:04 yes 00:26:12 with a list somehwere 00:26:19 did you check srfi-1 ? bfgun 00:26:33 You mean list-ref? At least i think that's what you'd call it 00:26:43 bfgun: you can do this with the same time complexity, without mutation. 00:26:44 qu1j0t3, yes of course, what you already said solved the problem 00:26:54 bfgun: no i mean the entire problem. 00:26:55 why not mutation? i don't really mind impurity 00:27:06 i'm just folding with four counters 00:27:08 bfgun: it doesn't save you time complexity here. 00:27:28 Mutation is good, as long as it's on local data. 00:27:48 It's better to avoid it on multi-core multi-threaded systems. 00:27:49 mutate my lists, and I'll cut you 00:27:56 lol! 00:28:03 it's justa four element counter to fold through 00:28:07 :p 00:28:09 rudybot: keep him under control 00:28:09 qu1j0t3: BTW, given control operators -- given Matthias's background, you should expect the PLT code to be *very* complete, so it must be a good reference. 00:28:17 seriously, it'd probably subtly break most of my list code 00:46:19 -!- phao [phao@177.174.17.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:48:29 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:51:14 phao [phao@177.78.101.69] has joined #scheme 00:52:13 -!- mmc1 [~michal@178-85-60-41.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:52:38 bogdano [~bogdano@189.58.26.160.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #scheme 00:52:39 -!- bogdano [~bogdano@189.58.26.160.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Changing host] 00:52:39 bogdano [~bogdano@unaffiliated/bogdano] has joined #scheme 00:55:00 -!- close-paren [~close-par@md52036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:05:00 -!- Aune [~Arne@h-152-28.a163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 01:05:42 BossKonaSegwaY1 [~Michael@cpe-69-133-27-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #scheme 01:05:48 -!- BossKonaSegwaY1 [~Michael@cpe-69-133-27-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has left #scheme 01:06:51 -!- BossKonaSegwaY [~Michael@cpe-69-133-27-32.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:09:13 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:09:13 close-paren [~close-par@md52036d0.tmodns.net] has joined #scheme 01:13:52 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 01:16:36 -!- close-paren [~close-par@md52036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:22:50 -!- fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:31:11 -!- bogdano [~bogdano@unaffiliated/bogdano] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:38:14 close-paren [~close-par@c-76-104-189-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 01:38:26 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #scheme 01:45:56 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.56.118] has joined #scheme 02:09:47 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:17 shardz [~samantha@ilo.staticfree.info] has joined #scheme 02:21:23 -!- shardz [~samantha@ilo.staticfree.info] has quit [Client Quit] 02:31:19 shardz [~samantha@ilo.staticfree.info] has joined #scheme 02:50:31 permagreen [~donovan@204-195-27-175.wavecable.com] has joined #scheme 03:02:18 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:04:06 -!- fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:14:22 Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:16:33 -!- Giomancer [~Gio@adsl-76-231-35-17.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has left #scheme 03:17:09 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #scheme 03:29:58 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.56.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:32:31 http://hpaste.org/73381 <- if i do (execute) several times all values add up, why is this? 03:33:06 (chicken code. the result of (execute) is the variable a in the function. isn't set! a .. resetting it? 03:34:17 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.56.118] has joined #scheme 03:44:46 -!- jhemann_ [~Jason@c-24-1-110-87.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:04:53 close-paren` [~close-par@c-76-104-189-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 04:05:55 jhemann [~Jason@99-108-224-199.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 04:06:39 -!- Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:00 Riastradh [~riastradh@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #scheme 04:11:32 bfgun: you're using a ! procedure in sumargmax on one of its argument therefore the name is wrong, it should be sumargmax! 04:11:51 If you correct this bug, it should be obvious why you have the above problem. 04:13:19 realitygrill [~realitygr@ool-18ba55c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 04:19:05 cesar86 [~cesar@190.86.119.89] has joined #scheme 04:57:50 -!- cesar86 [~cesar@190.86.119.89] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:58:24 copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #scheme 05:01:52 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-223-94.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #scheme 05:11:34 -!- bro_grammer [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:20:32 -!- sambio [~cc@190.57.227.107] has quit [] 05:24:36 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.202.29.3] has joined #scheme 05:34:35 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #scheme 05:39:37 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 05:52:42 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:03:33 Guest5975 [~zero@187.172.126.128] has joined #scheme 06:05:15 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@ool-18ba55c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 06:12:51 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.202.29.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:13:05 realitygrill [~realitygr@ool-18ba55c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #scheme 06:14:27 -!- fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:25:18 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.202.29.213] has joined #scheme 06:30:06 -!- Guest5975 [~zero@187.172.126.128] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120615233552]] 06:34:24 -!- phao [phao@177.78.101.69] has quit [Quit: Not Here] 06:41:51 -!- bipt [~bpt@cpe-071-070-253-241.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:40 phao [~phao@177.78.101.69] has joined #scheme 07:02:48 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #scheme 07:05:29 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 07:05:45 -!- close-paren` [~close-par@c-76-104-189-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: close-paren`] 07:12:06 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-176-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13:59 -!- fantazo_ [~fantazo@91-119-229-92.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15:58 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:18:10 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:46:35 MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-26-82.dynamic.vinet.ba] has joined #scheme 08:14:09 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:29 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #scheme 08:15:44 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #scheme 08:16:53 mmc1 [~michal@178-85-60-41.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #scheme 08:23:14 jewel [~jewel@196-210-160-143.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #scheme 08:31:40 -!- close-paren [~close-par@c-76-104-189-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:33:37 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:34:37 close-paren [~close-par@c-76-104-189-93.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #scheme 08:42:13 wingo [~wingo@89.131.176.233] has joined #scheme 08:45:04 -!- bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-54-244-164.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:50:30 chaotic_good [~g@pool-71-105-238-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 08:50:41 anyone around? 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[~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-185-67.netcologne.de] has joined #scheme 19:32:06 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.144.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47:16 klm` [~user@69.80-203-61.nextgentel.com] has joined #scheme 19:49:00 close-paren [~close-par@me42036d0.tmodns.net] has joined #scheme 19:49:11 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@3ad50e34.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:16 hi guys, I'm struggeling to "emulate" nested loops with Scheme. https://gist.github.com/3397261#file_gistfile1.scm any good ideas? 19:55:27 klm`: looks great to me. 19:55:35 klm`: runs too, as long as you load SRFI-1 19:57:27 (let outter ((x -10)) (let inner ((y -10)) (aset! (+ x y) c (+ x 10) (+ y 10)) (if (< y 10) (inner (+ 1 y)))) (if (< x 10) (outter (+ x 1)))) 19:58:24 (do ((x -10 (+ x 1))) ((>= x 10)) (do ((y -10 (+ y 1))) ((>= y 10)) (aset! (+ x y) c (+ x 10) (+ y 10)))) 20:00:00 You can also write your own for loop to mimic C for. Or better, you can write a matrix loop: (mloop (c x y) (aset! (+ x y) c (+ x 10) (+ y 10))) But if you do that, you can also define n-dimensional arrays with bases different from 0 so that you can just write: (aloop (c x y) (aset! (+ x y) c x y)) 20:00:18 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-160-143.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:00:38 indeed. klm` http://www.telegraphics.com.au/svn/puzzles/trunk/quad/ch11_for.scm 20:00:48 klm`: so the thing is not to struggle to emulate other languages constructs, is to invent the abstractions you need for your program. 20:03:47 great, I guess that's exactly what I'm looking for: matrix contructs which would fit very nicely here like you say pjb 20:03:56 are there any srfi's for that? 20:07:02 Perhaps. Or some other library. 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22:42:28 I've been thinking something like %db-name% or @db-name@ 22:43:24 ijp: croissant Princess Leia earmuffs are always appropriate. 22:43:41 i'm not sure about the 2-eggs-and-carrot thing. looks spiky. 22:43:45 -!- annodomini [~lambda@wikipedia/lambda] has quit [Quit: annodomini] 22:44:02 rudybot: opinions solicited 22:44:02 qu1j0t3: your feedback is solicited 22:44:04 I've always associated earmuffs with mutability, so I don't think so 22:44:28 i.e. *db-name* would be a no-go 22:44:29 tru 22:44:45 yes i shouldn't have said earmuffs. let's stick with croissants. 22:44:53 more "edible" than "read only" though. 22:45:01 heh 22:45:38 there probably is a convention. those damn Common Lispers thought of everything first. 22:46:24 croissants may be problematic if they end up being used with quasiquote 22:47:46 tru 22:47:53 you think of everything 22:50:59 ?db-name? might do 22:52:28 ¿db-nombre? surely 22:54:55 qu1j0t3: why? so they can nest? 22:55:00 bogdano [~bogdano@unaffiliated/bogdano] has joined #scheme 22:55:55 close-paren: i didn't think of that! 22:57:52 I've always admired that detail of Spanish syntax. 22:59:37 "That, and the homiconic nature of human languages" he said. 23:01:18 -!- bogdano [~bogdano@unaffiliated/bogdano] has left #scheme 23:03:02 close-paren: hm, i saw some papers this morning from oxford linguists that would probably interest you 23:03:52 I should have said "admired from afar" 23:04:10 one was memorable, about how an idiom like, "light at the end of the tunnel" introduces a whole new micro-grammar 23:04:23 close-paren: with new rules for all those parts. 23:04:38 oh, hmm 23:05:10 it was actually a very interesting paper. i wonder if i can find it again 23:05:12 are denotation semantics available? 23:05:45 they gave many examples, then gave examples of modifications of these idioms which are acceptable and not acceptable 23:05:59 which illustrated that we learn entirely new rules for the same words "in this context". 23:06:12 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-26-82.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:06:13 i think there is a lot here of potential interest to DSL creators 23:06:26 ah, i see your point now 23:06:40 it's much more interesting the way THEY put it. i'm only a n00b. 23:06:51 lemme see if i can find it again 23:07:56 wow, i did. 23:08:47 "The recognition and interpretation of idioms1 23:08:48 Steve Pulman 23:08:50 University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory 23:09:04 *close-paren* is a free noob. his noobness not bound. 23:09:28 'The rst observa- 23:09:29 tion is an old one: that in pragmatically appropriate contexts some idioms can 23:09:31 appear in syntactically variant forms: 23:16:01 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-229-92.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:53 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-217-56.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #scheme 23:21:53 twotons [~twotons@24.39.127.119] has joined #scheme 23:26:48 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:27:53 -!- twotons [~twotons@24.39.127.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:35 jhemann_ [Jason@156-56-195-79.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu] has joined #scheme 23:39:19 -!- jhemann [~Jason@99-108-224-199.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:53:37 sambio_ [~cc@190.57.227.107] has joined #scheme 23:54:43 -!- sambio_ is now known as sambio