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17:47:06 sstrickl [~sstrickl@racket/sstrickl] has joined #scheme 17:47:28 the range is inherently implementation specific, but I can say with confidence that both chicken and bigloo are wrong here 17:48:16 s/chicken and// 17:48:19 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 17:48:26 FurnaceBoy: is that with or without the numbers egg? 17:49:27 -!- b4283 [~b4283@114-47-11-121.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:00 -!- jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:51:36 if it's with, I'm going to rerevise my statement back to wrong 17:51:49 -!- nottejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.146.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:33 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #scheme 17:55:05 (inexact->exact 2.4) => 5404319552844595/2251799813685248 on chicken with numbers. 17:55:07 i mean, i was surprised by the first one. 17:55:18 mario-goulart: that's better :) 17:55:58 not by the truncate and floor examples. 17:55:58 *FurnaceBoy* doesn't understand the first result at all 17:56:02 oh wiat 17:56:02 there's a / in there 17:56:02 never mind 17:56:02 *FurnaceBoy* is blind 17:57:16 Peter Bex has put considerable effort on testing the numbers egg: http://tests.call-cc.org/master/linux/x86/2012/08/15/salmonella-report/test/numbers.html 17:57:16 http://tinyurl.com/9an7798 18:00:09 ijp: without 18:00:39 ijp: with: 18:00:41 #;2> (inexact->exact 2.4) 18:00:43 5404319552844595/2251799813685248 18:00:47 *FurnaceBoy* restores balance to the Force 18:00:55 rudybot: stand down 18:00:56 FurnaceBoy: Will the real a*m* please stand up? 18:04:29 nottejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.140.183] has joined #scheme 18:16:51 b4283 [~b4283@114-47-11-121.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #scheme 18:17:42 -!- dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:20:52 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined 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"hack-around"? 19:34:10 aside from srfi-98, it is implementation specific 19:34:16 like using eval 19:34:51 and remember this is OS environement variables, not the scheme environment, so eval is irrelevant here 19:34:53 what does (interaction-environment) return? 19:34:58 a port? a list? 19:35:01 you seem to be confused 19:35:54 do i abssolutely need to build eval myself? 19:35:59 *absolutely 19:36:20 interaction-environement can return whatever it likes, as long as eval recognises it as a scheme environment 19:37:05 more to the point, what are you trying to do, that you think eval is the solution? 19:37:09 basically youre saying that the environment specifier procedures are just parameters for eval? 19:37:23 teurastaja: yes 19:39:14 i have this code golf task: take a code string and display all environment bindings 19:39:38 in lua its easy 19:39:41 right, there is no non-implementation specific way to do that 19:39:55 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit 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the whole eval/apply thing? 19:48:26 untrusted [~user@stgt-5f719d6c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #scheme 19:48:57 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:51:21 let me be crystal clear, you _cannot_ do what you want to do in _portable_ r5rs or r6rs scheme. You _might_ be able to do it in $implementation, but for that you're going to have to read the manual. Also, this is lack of environement introspection is _by design_, it is not a bug. 19:52:24 -!- bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-52-159-33.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:38 look at "implementation" and "existing implementations" in srfi-98 youll understand the portability issues: http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-98/srfi-98.html 19:53:01 bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-54-222-63.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 19:53:04 teurastaja: srfi 98 has _nothing_ to do with this 19:53:23 srfi 98 deals with operating system environment variables. This is not the same as a scheme environment 19:53:39 oh 19:54:25 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:54:29 then do you have an example from an existing implementation? 19:54:33 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #scheme 19:54:59 I don't, as I have never desired this particular functionality 19:55:38 in guile modules are first class, so you can access top level bindings from the module itself, but obviously doesn't include local lexicals 19:58:02 so scheme cannot be a contestant in this code golf at all?? 19:58:11 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #scheme 19:59:50 ijp answered that question about ten minutes ago. :-P 20:00:12 are you aware of programming chrestomathies? 20:00:28 are you a markov generator? :) 20:00:35 heres a bunch of tasks to implement in scheme: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Reports:Tasks_not_implemented_in_Scheme 20:00:57 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #scheme 20:01:09 wingo: has kindly pointed me to https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Syntax-Transformer-Helpers.html so it does seem guile can do this 20:01:09 http://tinyurl.com/9osrvyh 20:04:42 teurastaja: are you referring to http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Environment_variables ? In that case srfi 98 was appropriate 20:05:21 or are you talking about http://rosettacode.org/wiki/First_class_environments ? 20:05:33 no im not referring to this but im spreading the word on this channel so scheme gets a better visibility there 20:06:28 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #scheme 20:07:04 but youre right, i was talking about first-class environments even though i didnt know it was in the task list 20:08:29 the -environment procedures are a form of that. r6rs has a more useful way of creating them that allows arbitrary import expressions. 20:08:52 picolisp has better visibility on rosettacode than scheme! lets fix this :) 20:09:12 you mean the procedure environment? 20:10:15 not at all, environments are not introspectable 20:11:07 -!- nottejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.192.140.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11:15 assuming you mean something like (prodecure-environment some-closure) => environment in which closure was created 20:12:47 I was meaning, in r6rs you can do (environment '(rnrs base)) and it would create an environment in which all the exports of rnrs are bound 20:12:54 no i was talking about (environment import-list1 ...) but you cant parse that 20:13:12 but you can't query them, only create them, and use them in eval 20:14:38 thats stupid... why not use keyword arguments to eval instead of procedures that can only be used by eval? 20:15:02 scheme doesn't have keyword arguments 20:16:18 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:35 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-55-137.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:16:36 and using keywords would be very inconvenient in the overwhelming majority of cases 20:16:37 why not use a closure instead of an additional application? 20:17:08 that closure would contain all bindings 20:17:12 jonrafkind [~jon@racket/jonrafkind] has joined #scheme 20:17:53 well, you've made a huge number of assumptions about the inner workings of the 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