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Would someone look over my code for style defects? http://pastebin.com/LFA3cGPA 03:30:05 teurastaja [~chatzilla@modemcable168.103-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #scheme 03:37:52 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 03:38:52 -!- hash_table [~quassel@70-138-242-181.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:42:35 phy1729: after define indent 2 spaces 03:43:11 It generally helps readability to add a few more linebreaks in the long functions, too. 03:43:12 insert line breaks - try to stick to 80 columns 03:43:37 I've just been tabbing. Are spaces more used? 03:45:01 Usually you try to indent things to match up meaningfully in the context. 03:45:25 I know that's kind of vague... Riastradh used to always be around with his style guide link handy. 03:46:03 http://mumble.net/~campbell/scheme/style.txt 03:46:31 thanks 03:47:59 to keep to 80 char lines just start a newline at a reasonable spot and scheme won't care I assume 03:48:18 You don't write code just for your compiler, though. 03:48:41 Scheme doesn't have a lot of syntax, so formatting conventions go a long way towards making code readable. 03:49:00 jhemann [~Jason@adsl-108-67-90-90.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 03:49:22 I've found that hence my asking 03:49:44 I mean, you can write C code all smashed up on one line too, but nobody does that, because it's hard to read. :) 03:51:35 Also, in your seq function, you would probably benefit from rewriting it in terms of cons rather than append. If that puts it in the wrong order, just reverse it in your base case. 03:53:09 Append has to traverse your entire list structure every time to add an element on the end; cons is a fast constant time operation, and reverse only has to traverse once. 03:53:31 good point 03:54:45 -!- MrFahrenheit [~RageOfTho@cable-77-221-25-164.dynamic.vinet.ba] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:54:53 -!- teurastaja [~chatzilla@modemcable168.103-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:54:55 -!- micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:38 Also, you seem to swap your data representation back and forth between string and list quite a lot. 03:58:32 yeah it's because I founf that the easiest way to do an operation on all chars individually 04:00:17 Well, encrypt-affine could probably just string->list once, do the filter and map, then list->string 04:00:32 micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has joined #scheme 04:00:55 -!- micro is now known as Guest21946 04:00:56 oh right I couldn't find a nicer way to get rid of all the spaces 04:02:22 yoklov [~yoklov@66-168-47-170.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #scheme 04:06:37 If your scheme supports SRFI-13, there are a lot of utility functions for strings there. 04:06:47 http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-13/srfi-13.html 04:09:12 nope is there an implementation you suggest? 04:09:19 -!- kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:11:14 Which one are you using? 04:11:30 And what kind of programs are you planning on writing? 04:11:34 mit-scheme mainly since it was in homebrew 04:11:48 none in particular just want to learn the language 04:15:04 coding on a wii? 04:15:07 Well, if you just want to learn pure scheme, mit-scheme is fine. 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Racket does as well, although it's got so many extensions it doesn't even call itself Scheme anymore (though it can be fully compatible with various versions of Scheme if you want it to be). 04:17:26 nagato [~stardivin@122.236.249.90] has joined #scheme 04:21:42 jao [~user@206.Red-88-0-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #scheme 04:21:48 -!- jao [~user@206.Red-88-0-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:21:48 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #scheme 04:24:08 kilimanjaro [~kilimanja@unaffiliated/kilimanjaro] has joined #scheme 04:32:25 tokiya [~tokiya@210.24.42.190] has joined #scheme 04:32:41 adu_ [~ajr@pool-108-45-79-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 04:33:35 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-108-45-79-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:33:44 -!- adu_ is now known as adu 04:37:35 bfgun [~b_fin_g@r186-52-136-34.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 04:38:58 -!- MichaelRaskin [~MichaelRa@195.91.224.225] 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I'm reading the book "The scheme programming language". In a given part of the book it creates a stack data-type. This is what it does: http://pastebin.com/NxBPbBYw this is how you use it: (define stack (make-stack)) (stack 'push! 3) 14:53:02 so far so good. I decided to do something a little fancier, but I can't get it to work. This is my approach to it: http://pastebin.com/iDuPmYa7 14:53:46 flaggy, your first problem is eval 14:53:51 my goal was that the user would do (stack 'push! 1) and it would execute (push! 1) 14:53:57 let's try to avoid that 14:53:59 ok 14:54:43 flaggy, if you want to try using eval, then you need to pass the current lexical environment to eval 14:54:44 I've seen that ((car (list + 1 2)) 1 2) works 14:55:00 hm 14:55:38 eval was my last try, my first try was simple ((cons msg args)) 14:56:26 flaggy, I think instead of LET, you should make an a-list 14:56:41 but I call (stack 'push! 1), so I guess the first parameter is a symbol and not the function identifier, that's what make the difference 14:57:18 flaggy, the problem is most likely that EVAL doesn't know about what those symbols are bound to, unless you give it the current lexical environment. 14:58:07 i can't see the code right now but using eval? really? That sounds like a very bad solution 14:59:26 But if you want to use (push! 1), why not just say (define (push! x) (stack 'push! x)) 14:59:28 Zuchto, it's a closure, binding functions using LET, and evaluating a symbol passed into the closure, which is intended to be one of the bound sumbols 15:00:29 Quadrescence: yeah, i think i understand how it works but i don't see how it could be solved with eval in a good way... better to pattern match on the symbol or something imho 15:00:35 I see, if I do an a-list I get basically what the book does. My goal was to make something very dynamic. Just for understanding how to work things out. I wanted to pass a function identifier as a parameter and call it inside the function 15:00:57 flaggy: apply? 15:00:59 flaggy, dynamic how? So far you seem to be wanting to just change the syntax. 15:01:23 -!- jrslepak [~jrslepak@c-71-233-149-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:01:36 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-61-95.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #scheme 15:02:32 flaggy: in this case, being dynamic makes the program likely an order of magnitude slower and also less clear. 15:02:37 flaggy: you could look at how, for example, goops does it... the equivalent would be (push! stack x) where push! is a generic with a method taking a stack object and another object of any type 15:02:50 flaggy, I'd say an a-list is more dynamic, because not only can you pass in stack manipulation messages, but you can install new messages by passing in a sort of "meta-message": (stack 'install-message! 'peek (lambda (st) (if (null? st) '() (car st)))) 15:03:11 s/being dynamic/using eval/ 15:03:32 flaggy, and then you could do (stack 'peek) 15:04:36 -!- jhemann [~Jason@adsl-108-67-90-90.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:04:56 (but at this point, we should be cautious if this is really what we want to do. We'd now be able to examine/modify the stack externally, which sort of makes it a leaky abstraction.) 15:06:20 *FurnaceBoy* gets some paper towels 15:06:55 kk` [~kk@unaffiliated/kk/x-5380134] has joined #scheme 15:10:46 bfig [~b_fin_g@r186-52-136-34.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #scheme 15:13:00 I agree that my idea is not very elegant. I was thinking of it more like messages in an object oriented language. So I'd define each method on let clause and then call them using messages. That was what I was trying to emulate. 15:16:22 flaggy: if you want to emulate OOP, you might want to steal their implementation method and use a table to store methods by index. 15:17:16 (where the index is a symbol for a dictionary or maybe you translate the symbol to a numeric index into a vector) 15:18:24 (also see http://www.cs.indiana.edu/l/www/classes/b521/ooo.pdf) 15:21:15 cool. Anyway, the only way to transform '+ into # is through eval, right? 15:23:41 I think things will get clearer as I continue to read the book. Or so I hope :P 15:23:44 thanks for the help 15:26:07 any good finite map will allow that 15:28:46 tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.142.219] has joined #scheme 15:32:00 tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.202.22.73] has joined #scheme 15:34:18 -!- tejaswidp [~tejaswidp@117.192.142.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37:14 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-38-89.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:37:37 cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.62.213] has joined #scheme 15:39:02 jhemann [~Jason@adsl-108-67-90-90.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #scheme 15:40:04 tejaswid [~tejaswidp@117.213.186.73] has joined #scheme 15:42:41 -!- tejaswi [~tejaswidp@117.202.22.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:43:02 -!- dzhus [~dzhus@95-24-95-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:57:43 -!- tejaswid [~tejaswidp@117.213.186.73] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:58:36 tejaswid [~tejaswidp@117.213.186.73] has joined #scheme 16:00:37 -!- tejaswid 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